Letters to the Editor
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super90
To have feelings is legitimate. But how you act on your feelings is what some women here are concerned about.
If your grief over what happened when you were young makes you think now that abortion should be illegal, then it's a problem.
It's hard to live a life without any regrets. As you say, the circumstances weren't right at the time so you made the best choice you could.
Please don't let your pain become a rallying point for anger against women or their (our) reproductive rights.
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re: another anonymous
Anonymous,
"The men had no say-so in whether the child is to be born or not, correct? "
"This IS a relative disadvantage for men. But consider the relative advantages men have: you have a longer period of your life in which to reproduce then women do. Unlike most women, your lifetime earning potential will not be adversely affected by taking "time out" to have a child. And you don't face the medical conditions of pregnancy and all the risks. And most of the time spent child-rearing (in cleaning, washing, teaching etc.) still falls on women. So if you divided this up all by the hour, it would hold up pretty strong against the child support payments that some men pay for children that they do not want."
Not getting pregnant wasn't the issue I was bringing up...I agree that both the woman and the man can using contraceptives. The point I was making was that the man had no choice in whether the child was born or aborted AFTER impregnation. The bottom line is, if the women want full control over their uterus, then the man should not enter into the equation. The woman can either have the child and raise it herself or abort it. The man should just be allowed (if he chooses to) to about his merry way...OR if he chooses, he could stick around to raise his child and provide financial support.
That's the way it SHOULD be...that way BOTH men and women have SOME choice in the matter.
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A "pregnancy" is not a "child."
Seems to me that since it took a conscious decision on the part of BOTH the man and the woman to have sex... they should BOTH have a say in the decision of whether to have a baby or not.
Deciding to have sex is NOT deciding to start a pregnancy. Oh, and who gets MORE of "a say"? More on that below.
Women seem to think that after the impregnation is done, the man's thoughts on abortion are irrelevant "because it isn't his uterus" and it isn't HIS responsibility...
Full stop after the word "uterus." Women consider the man's viewpoint largely irrelevant after impregnation because the physical consequences can NEVER be his. Simple biology.
yet if an abortion does NOT occur, suddenly the child IS his responsibility.
After a child is born, a third person has entered the picture, with separate rights... and with two biological parents. That third person has some claim to the support of both parents. (Mom's already done a BUNCH by this point, mind you.)
So which IS it, ladies? IS the man mutually responsible for the impregnation or is he not...and therefore is he mutually responsible for the child of that impregnation (if not aborted) or not? To have it both ways is morally wrong and is detestable... and any woman who would look at this logically would agree.
I'm a woman, I'm looking at it logically, and I'm puzzled that you apparently cannot tell the difference between a pregnancy and a child. As much as some men might want the issues of abortion rights and child support to be linked, they're simply not.
As for the men wallowing in guilt and regret over abortions... perhaps some of that is genuine, but I suspect many men just want to use their "tears as weapons," or however the moron put it, to exert further control over women.
These men gripe that their "feelings aren't considered." What this really means -- since only one decision can be made -- is that they're upset that women don't have to do as they're told WRT pregnancy or abortion.
What does "giving men a say" actually MEAN, in practical terms? If they get 49% of the decision, it's still irrelevant, and they're sure as hell not getting 51%.
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@Anonymous
"Anyway, as for those men's tears? Cry me a river. Those guys want to mourn childhoods that never were? Let them volunteer to be Big Brothers to the scads of dadless kids just waiting to be plucked by gangs."
"Sorry but the two are NOT the same thing as any parent knows. Try again."
Really? They're not the same? Helping out actual living kids who desperately need it is different from ruminating about a kid who never existed? Hey, you're right. The two are not the same.
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Nope, try again
Okay then...it's HER body, HER child and SHE gets to deal with it...and the guy just goes on his merry way whether she decides to have the baby or abort it and we all call it a day.
That work for you?
Nope. Because once there is a child his or her right to support supercedes the desires of either parent.
Look, its NOT fair. You're not going to find fair here.
And in other news, we've found something Bullshit65 likes about women: he likes to see them flail. Sick sick sick sick fuck that one. Wonder what prison he's posting from.
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What a stupid argument Price. I think we should ignore all women's considerations UNLESS it directly affects your body
Last, this victimization of the would-be dads seems to border on narcissism -- a self-absorption that has less to do with the fetuses or the mothers or the actual abortions and more to do simply with the men themselves. Take, for example, a 50-year-old man described in the article who was responsible for two pregnancies that ended in abortion. He has since converted to Catholicism, has five children, and sometimes protests outside abortion clinics. He regrets the abortions and is in an ongoing intellectual debate with himself over whether the two unborn children were necessary for him to have the life -- and family -- he has today. But when asked what his ex-girlfriends might think about the effect the abortions had on their lives, the man looked startled, the article reports. "I never really thought about it for the woman," he told the Times.
To me, at least, that's a problem.
Price, by your logic, I am not sure why women, or men, or any of us, have the right to vote on anything outside of our own immediate bodies.
You Price are a stupid, vicious, tool.