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Thursday, November 15, 2007 12:00 AM

Is there sexism in lifesaving?

A study reveals a gender bias in intensive care treatment.

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Thursday, November 15, 2007 02:34 PM

Reap what you sow I guess

about 9 out of 9 men who die in their fifties die of heart disease. But I guarantee if after 20 years they start dropping dead of breast cancer I will be outraged if they don't receive a chunk of the $20 billion/year spent on that disease. The fact that women are keeling over from the same illnesses as men at more or less the same age is itself a new thing. So medicine is playing a catch up game right now.

And FWIW in my own limited personal experience, middle class white women over the age of 45 see doctors far LESS than any other group as a rule - for basic preventive care. So ladies, instead of getting Mamo at age 19 why don't you get a basic blood and cardio workup in your 40's and 50's instead?

Thursday, November 15, 2007 02:43 PM

Yawn

It must be nice to nag and whine and have men tripping over themselves to throw money, time and resources at your imaginary problems.

Thursday, November 15, 2007 03:02 PM

Fibulator?

I think you mean defibrillator.

Thursday, November 15, 2007 03:05 PM

Yeah, sexism in medical care is a bad thing...

...but come off it: by any objective measure, women are usually better-off when it comes to health in every major category.

What you've done, my dear, is cherry-pick to make women look like the victims. But that's what you always do, every damned day, isn't it? Pick the tiniest of cherries to make women into victims, even in situations where they're better-off.

You're so amazingly predictable, Carol! Do you know that? Tell me: Do you ever get tired of always using the same old exhausted backwards reasoning over and over in which women are always to be portrayed as worse-off no matter what the situation is?

That you fail to grasp that women enjoy, in the main, better health yet you obsessively focus on the few microscopic areas in which women receive differential treatment and then call this "sexism"? And that you claim to pore-over these figures and not see that women are usually better-off in health? It's pathetic, dearie. Truly. It's like your intelligence has been driven to such a low level that it's impossible for you to see what's in front of your eyes.

I could, if you want, give you a whole list of gigantic ways in which health disparities overwhelmingly FAVOR WOMEN. But in your twisted desperation to always make women into the victims no matter what, it will count for nothing because sexism is something that NEVER EVER favors women in your mind. Even when empirical proof is hitting you in the face, you still won't be able to see it. How I pity you.

I swear, I expect you to one day pen an entry about how women are hardest-hit by the hole in the ozone layer.

Thursday, November 15, 2007 03:30 PM

Of course there's sexism in lifesaving!

Haven't you ever heard of, "Women and children first!"

Thursday, November 15, 2007 03:30 PM

"a whole list of gigantic ways in which health disparities overwhelmingly FAVOR WOMEN"

I'd appreciate seeing that list, but only if it really involves the empirical evidence you claim to find so important. My gut feeling is that women are indeed healthier than men. That does not necessarily mean that they get better medical treatment, but women I know are generally more attuned and attentive to their physical needs than the men I know are. I don't know why that should be the case, but it has little to do with how men and women are treated by the medical system.

And, personally, I feel that being an object of the medical-industrial complex's concern is not necessarily a favor. When you're in the ICU, that's one thing, but women have tended more than men to be targeted for "medical care" in response to normal bodily functions.

Anyway, I'm interested in your list if you really have one. But, BTW, I don't think you need to insult the writer in order to make your point.

Thursday, November 15, 2007 04:02 PM

Like hearing Paris Hilton whine about the unfairness of life

If there is one thing US women should not complain about it's the quality of their medical care when compared to men.

There are two medical subspecialties exclusively dedicated to the health care concerns of women: obstetrics & gynecology. There are none for men.

We spend more per capita on the health care of women than men.

Women live longer than men.

Men are much more likely to be injured, incapacitated or killed either at home or on the job than women.

Please explain by what possible calculus it is possible to conclude that women in the United States are being treated unfairly by the medical profession when compared to their male counterparts.

- IHTFP92

Thursday, November 15, 2007 04:13 PM

The letters here are so much better

than the actual article that it's striking. Really.

I guess the feminist movement may as well disband, they've conquered every single horizon. If they hadn't, well, logic presumes they wouldn't be trying to invent new "issues" where none exist.

Honestly, Lloyd, this story, like so much of what you write, was a speciously "reasoned" fluff piece. Horse hockey. Poppycock.

Please, I would love to hear a story from you dealing with the ongoing sexism in the Selective Service.

Honestly, Lloyd.

Touch on that one. What is up with that outmoded anachronism? I know your name isn't on the registry. I know mine is.

Friggn' sexist. Break it down for us.

Thursday, November 15, 2007 04:22 PM

To melthough

Linney Uston did not add or provide anything, nor did he/she refute anything in Carol Lloyd's article, so I guess he/she actually agrees with Carol Lloyd, but doesn't want us to listen to her, so he/she criticizes her. But if you read Linney Uston criticism carefully, you will note that it is baseless and lacks substance.

Yes, in Canada critically ill women were 20 percent more likely to die in the ICU than critically ill men.

The reason; I believe it is because old geezers are still looked at as charming (yes it is good to be a man that can marry a women 40 years younger than him), but old women are seen as used and useless byproducts that should be put to waste.

Thursday, November 15, 2007 04:37 PM

correcting some assumptions...

All of the comments so far have pointed out how men are less healthy than women, but this does not point to the existence of actual health disparities. Men are less healthy because they get in more accidents, are more prone to heart disease, and are less likely to seek out preventive care at a young age. BUT... when they actually present to the hospital they get just as good (if not better, as this article pointed out) care as women.

Admitting a patient to an ICU is a serious decision not taken lightly by physicians and hospital staff. In American hospitals, the ER or primary medical team on the hospital floor will call for an ICU consult, at which point the head physician or resident of the ICU evaluates the patient to determine if they need ICU admission. Since many ICUs are short on beds, triage decisions have to be made. If women are consistently admitted to ICUs less than men, this is a serious issue that needs to be examined further. Perhaps this is because women are more likely to have DNR orders, or are often older when they are sick enough to need ICU admission, or are more likely to die at home alone than in ICUs. But perhaps this is due to discrimination by the physicians making triage decision for ICU admission. I doubt any physicians would knowingly discriminate against women in this way, but there may be more subtle factors at play. AT THE VERY LEAST, this needs to be researched further.

For the record, OB/GYN is 1 specialty (the same physicians train for 4 years to do both), not two. And urologists spend most of their training learning how to treat male reproductive organs.

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