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Monday, November 5, 2007 12:00 AM

"30 Reasons Girls Should Call It a Night"

A Facebook group celebrates photos of drunken girls vomiting on themselves and passed out in bushes.

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Wednesday, November 7, 2007 08:38 AM

that's 2025

not 1025.

Wednesday, November 7, 2007 05:05 AM

what will they say

to their sons and daughters in 15-20 years' time? (And I include the subjects of the stupid-guy-trick photos in the "they")? Enough of these kids will grow up, become responsible, and procreate.

This stuff stays around. And each generation of kids gets more techno-savvy than their parents. It will be found, even if the dfacebook page is long gone. Can you imagine the ensuingconversations? It'll make the baby-boomer "I did pot but it's different now" scenarios seem like "Leave it to Beaver."

Though, maybe this won't be such a bad thing. Nothing morphs an activity, fashion, or idea from "cool" to "lame" faster than seeing one's parents partaking.

Maybe this will start a new abstinence/temperance movement mong the youth of, say 1025?

Tuesday, November 6, 2007 04:25 PM

Robert Franklin

I feel like it is a fallacy to assume that youth is a time to screw up and do stupid things, though. In part because only part of the population seems to feel the need to do this, while another portion of the population is quite content to just live life rather than "live it up."

Besides, it seems to be a uniquely affluent/American/middle class notion that youth is a time to get away with stuff. Historically, young adults were married and working by the age of 17 or 18. There was no time for "finding yourself" or going nuts or experimenting with drugs. And in most parts of the world, where young people don't have a college culture to retreat to, this is still the case. In many parts of the world, you work to feed yourself or you die. There is no phase for being crazy. Only affluent Western youth have the luxury of being in a situation where they can essentially skate by in life while getting wasted or stoned every night.

And I don't see how it is harmful to be in a place in my life where I already understand the harms of irresponsible behavior and don't feel any compulsion to act in a manner that might get me in trouble, hurt or arrested (not to mention other people). People who drink like crazy when they are young may grow up and become smarter people for it. But this sort of implies that it takes a cessation of drinking and partying for them to smarten up. So I feel quite smart already.

It also seems almost offensive to me that young people are assumed to be so blatantly stupid that they need to figure out on their own that binge drinking is a bad idea. I've been a self-aware, responsible individual since I can remember. I've always known that getting wasted was a bad idea. I didn't have to try it and wake up in a pool of my own vomit to figure that one out. I know who I am, I know what my responsibilities are. I'm not in this life of mine to selfishly figure out who I am so that at some later point in life, I can become a productive member of society. I already feel the obligations of acting as a moral agent in the world, of doing things that will positively affect those around me. In other words, I don't think we get "time off" from our human responsibilities. I think you have to have been raised fairly poorly for you to need a phase where you are so turned-in upon yourself that drinking and partying are anything more than a peripheral aspect of your existence. That just seems ridiculously selfish to me. And if I can figure out how selfish that is, why can't other people my age?

Tuesday, November 6, 2007 02:40 PM

Rosenkavalier

Well, I'm not so sure it's just a matter of my liking and trusting my "type." I think that, objectively speaking, one's young years are a time to take risks, to find out first hand what works and what doesn't, what you want out of life and what you don't. There's a fair amount of psychology to back me up on that, so it's not just my opinion. And those people who engage in that behavior, I think, mature into more well-rounded adults. They've done that, they know its allures and they know the reality of it, so they're better qualified to judge that behavior in others. I think those who don't grow old before their time and can't have the perspective on the behavior described that others have.

Tuesday, November 6, 2007 02:26 PM

Maybe I'm a fuddy-duddy - but what's "fun" about this?

I speak from a very innocent and ignorant perspective - I've never been more than mildly tipsy. What's so fun about puking all over yourself and passing out? I'm honestly mystified. Is it the puking that's fun, or the passing out? Or the resulting half-naked photos on Facebook?

Tuesday, November 6, 2007 01:40 PM

oh well

I bet you some guys get off on photos like that.

Tuesday, November 6, 2007 12:48 PM

Immanuel

I was if you read my first blog agreeing to that. Many people so far on this blog are demonizing it. Cheers to the women and men making asses of themselves. I see as far as the women go we are just better at PR.

Tuesday, November 6, 2007 12:44 PM

Darwin

I hope that Darwin steps in before these women procreate.

I have no problem with women drinking and enjoying themselves but acting like trash and being proud enough to document it for the world to see is not acceptable for either gender. There is no shame in the new world order of attention whoring.

Tuesday, November 6, 2007 12:27 PM

Robert Franklin

See, that is an issue of similarity in background, though. Of course you are more likely to trust someone who has done similar things to you. I, having never engaged in such activity, am far less likely to trust a mature adult who admits to having done such things in his or her past. I feel very distanced from my parents, for example, when they talk about their drinking and partying years, because that is something I have never experienced, nor have I experienced the desire for something like that. I don't understand the drinking/drugging/partying mentality at all, never have, never will. So obviously I will trust and understand someone like me and you will trust and understand someone like you.

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