Letters to the Editor
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....almost always IS a psycho.
So? She could be Bjork crazy, I wouldn't care.
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A Crappy Time To Be A Teacher
When I saw the AP article about sex abuse in schools, my heart sank. Not because I don't feel sympathy for kids that are victims in school, which of course I do, but because it's another reason to go after America's new favorite target - teachers. Half the country already thinks we're lazy, undereducated, incompetent, union drones, parent haters and more concerned with our own asses than those of our students. Now we're perverts, too.
Yay.
Christmas with my ultra-conservative family is going to be a barrel of laughs this year.
As for the topic at hand, while I think there are boys who were taken advantage of by authority figures who most certainly knew better, I don't see the need to make boys (or girls) who aren't (by all reasonable measures) traumatized feel like victims. Don't we have enough of those, both male and female?
At least the letters here haven't devolved the way the rest of the internet has in reference to this story - with battle cries for the dismantling of public education. I poke sticks at some of the more curmudgeonly folk who post here, but I have to say, compared to the rest of the web, we're pretty lucky to have the group we do.
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This is sick
I think the posts here applauding women molesting underage boys are sickening.
If I had a daughter who swooned over a "hot teacher", I sure would be concerned. If you have a son who does the same, you should be concerned, too.
This shows how deep rooted the problem is.
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@neilpaul
"By and large, women who seduce or abuse young men are choosing older victims than many male pedophiles and pederasts and have a more relationshipy time of it. Often warm feelings, orgasms etc, are mutual in these laiasons, which is quite different from when men seek out teen age girls (though there may be some older teen girls with twenty something men, where there is substantial mutuality.)
When boys are old enough to seek sex and enjoy sex, they lose some of their claim to victimhood when they get with an older woman. A woman having sex with a fifteen year old vs. with a seven year old is not even remotely the same thing."
You are beyond the pale. Aren't you ashamed of yourself?
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why indeed do we NOT have mandatory sex training for 12 year old boys, with teachers showing the boys how to seduce and be seduced?
Brightstar is on record that it is okay for teachers to seduce 12 year old boys?
Who else is on this bandwagon? Big Cheese, do you agree with this? Should 12 be the age of consent for boys? All you fellas agree that it doesn't hurt boys to be seduced by their teachers at age 12?
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@brightstar
You're just as sick as neilpaul. I hope neither of you have any children.
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And Of Course It IS Up To Feminists....
BrightStar65 said:
> If it were up to feminists, any woman
> seducing a boy is OK, but any man seducing
> a girl is not.
It is only over-extreme politeness that prevents me from saying, outright, "This is a lie."
It's either a lie, or a delusion. Hard to tell in this case.
Feminists are extremely likely to come down on any seduction of underage individuals by adults, regardless of gender.
It's not the feminists who are patting the boy on the back and saying, "Way to go, dude!" That sentiment comes from people, mainly men, who buy into the most conventional view of human sexual culture.
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Sexual Abuse vs Emotional Abuse
Let's put it this way: male and female adults that want to have sex with adolescents are sick and creepy and damaged goods and likely quite psycho (those that want to have sex with pre or barely pubescent children are deeply mentally ill and dangerous, and a different kettle of fish altogether). Furthermore, people in a position of power having sex with subordinates is pretty generally a bad idea. All givens.
And while there should be a presumption of victimization, increasing with age gap and power differential, it should not be absolute. I don't think victim status, or lack of it either, should be automatic, just presumptive, regardless of gender.
Actually, and I hate to drag out this hoary old chestnut but I think it applies, if "women trade sex for love and men trade love for sex" it is the emotional, not the sexual abuse of boys that is the problem. A fifteen year old male enjoying sex with a 24 year old female is one thing; a fifteen year old male declaring undying love for and wishing to marry an imprisoned sex-partner ten+ year older teacher is quite another.
The same thing does in fact happen with teenage gay youth. They aren't supposed to want to have sex with gay men in their 20s; it is a fact that very many of them do. Possibly with teachers, but more likely not, especially in this paranoid day and age. But it happens. With satisfaction all around, often enough, and abuse often enough too.
I don't think relative ages, after say 16 or so, for either gender, are an absolute metric for abuse. Probability, yes, degree, yes, but binary black/white, no. And there are many different kinds of abuse.
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A fifteen year old boy stalked me.
When I was in my twenties, a boy where I worked (not a school) began phoning me at home. This was before caller ID. It got where I couldn't answer the phone because it was him. When I changed my number, he managed to obtain my new one. I actually quit my job to get away from him. When I moved away, he got that number too. I was not happy. My husband was not happy.
This boy wrote me love letters. He was apparently obsessed because he thought I looked like the heroine in his favorite novel. Yes, I was hot. I actually called his mother and begged her to get him to leave me alone. I did not want to have to file charges against him. Also, I worried about the publicity. His parents were prominent people. I worried that they would turn it around on me because at first I had talked to him because I was sympathetic to some of his problems.
Wouldn't I be called a child molester today if I had given into him? I have thought about this. In retrospect, I think he was a really lonely mixed up kid and no he couldn't get girls his age to look at him. He was not cute but strange and awkward looking. I think I would have messed him up good if I had had sex with him at that age. Stable guys don't chase older women because they are busy having fun with girls their own age.
We need laws that protect young people from themselves, but we also need to modify stalking laws so that guys like him can get help without facing adult justice.