Letters to the Editor
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@Agent Smith, even Newt is smarter than you
What do you think? Should property crimes and crimes against persons be treated pretty much the same?
RIPLEY
I'll bet Casey doesn't have
bad dreams.
Ripley lifts the doll's head from Newt's tiny fingers
and looks inside. It is, of course, empty.
RIPLEY
Nothing bad in here. Maybe
you could just try to be like
her.
Ripley closes the doll's eyes and hands her back.
Newt rolls her eyes as if to say "don't pull that
five-year-old shit on me, lady. I'm six."
NEWT
Ripley...she doesn't have
bad dreams because she's just
a piece of plastic.
RIPLEY
Oh. Sorry, Newt.
Why do we excuse women's bad behavior at times we wouldn't excuse a man's? I'd swear it's not because they have a vagina, but you folks are convincing me otherwise.
At any rate, I expect that a human being of room temperature IQ knows can take care of themselves. They know when they've had too much to drink. They know when to enter a dark alley and when not to.
Now, all people should be able to go down a dark alley any time of day or night, but we can't. Whether we are male or female, we know to stay away from dark alleys.
I know not to go to certain bars.
I know not to ingest certain drugs.
How come I am expected to take care of myself, but a woman is not?
Is there something about the Magical Vaginal Peace Rays emanating from her vagina that sucks intelligence and responsibility from her cortex?
I'll have to add that to the DSM V MVPRT writeup.
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@ AKA Smith
Hey - Dalia Lithwick over at Slate had an analysis of the history of rape as a property crime, among other things, written during the height of the Kobe Bryant trial. (http://www.slate.com/id/2086422/).
She basically makes the argument that modern rape trials are still rooted in a system that tried to determine whether or not a women's virginity or honor had been stolen from her father or husband, and the idea that is it necessary for her to prove whether her reputation was worthy of being valued.
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As usual healthy skeptic has the right analysis.
I made many of these points at Ezra Klein's, but everyone insisted, they kept putting all of these caveats on it,
"Yes, but assuming that EVERYTHING Moe said was right, IGNORING any other evidence or lack of evidence, going on ONLY what we know, it is rape, right? You have to agree it's rape!!!!"
Well, going on ONLY what Colin Powell said, and assuming that everything that Colin Powell said was accurate, and ignoring EVERYTHING else that other people were saying and ignoring the actual evidence or lack of evidence, then yes, it's clear that Saddam Hussein was helping terrorists and Iraq had WMD and needed to be invaded.
It's also amusing to see feminists like TCF and McEwan so quick to deny Moe her own experience and thoughts.
The words for that are:
arrogance
patronizing
condescending
delegitimizing
patriarchal.
Congrats to Tracy and Melissa McEwan -- we have met the enemy and they is us.
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Thanks natasha.
Sounds fascinating. I will read it.
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salon wrote a no-means-yes article, anyone else remember?
what's complicated, aka smith, is that i remember vividly broadsheet itself making some sort of snark-ass comment about "no means no," implying that it didn't always and why don't the bitch loser feminists in college stop saying it and ruining the fun.
i remember because i was raped exactly this way. yeah, i was naked on his bed. but i fucking said no. that meant different things to liberal arts girl and frat boy, due to articles like the one in cosmo making it a "grey" area. so you can imagine my shock back when i saw the "feminists" of broadsheet suggesting i hadn't been raped after all.
i just can't remember the article.
i'll find it. you're not off the hook, broadsheet. no does ALWAYS MEAN NO. and fuck you for ever saying otherwise, allowing these "grey rape" people to proliferate.
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-- natasha simon
She basically makes the argument that modern rape trials are still rooted in a system that tried to determine whether or not a women's virginity or honor had been stolen from her father or husband, and the idea that is it necessary for her to prove whether her reputation was worthy of being valued.
Oh nonsense. That's so patently stupid. Only some of the truly cluleless little women's studies majors and Dworkin wannabes would believe that.
The point of a rape trial is to establish whether a crime was committed against a person, not necessarily a woman either. And the same basic evidentiary principles apply as in other criminal cases where questionable consensuality is involved.
The reason a woman's behavior is relevant, and witness testimony about apparent intentions regardign consent, is to establish the likelihood of consent.
If one is very strict with evidence, and rules that character and liklihood of consent are inadmissible, then one also has to rule that he-said/she-said cases are similarly lacking evidence as testimony is mutually canceling, and such cases procedurally throw out.
It always amazes me the number of truly unintelligent Dworkin types BS attracts, as well as the freaky trolls like Anonymous.
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I'm not so freaky...
Freaky?
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One Solution
If there were serious penalties for false accusation of rape, "grey rape" would be a non-issue.
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Since someone mentioned trolling
and since we obviously have one in this thread I offer this interesting link which defines trolls:
http://bloggingfeminism.blogspot.com/2007/04/borderline-trolling-on-feminist-blogs.html
Natasha, that was an interesting article at Slate. I didn't agree with everything said but it was worth reading.
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Ken Melhman
Did they hit the john together?
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tell me again why rove
left town when he did
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@ healthyskeptic
I agree with you that Anonymous of 7:52 pm was pretty freaky, but I always just ignore him.
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@ Anonymous 08:10 PM
No means no. It really is that simple. I hope you find the article you are looking for. Recently I tried searching Salon archives and had little success. More current stuff for the last 30 days seems to be available.
I am sorry you had that horrible rape happen to you. I hope you are healing well from it. Don't let anyone tell you that it was your fault. If you said no, then no should have been sufficient.