Letters to the Editor
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Thank you Rebecca Louise!
I can see that you have Magical Vaginal Peace Rays.
Congratulations.
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i just don't get it
Yes, people shouldn't go out and get sh*t faced and pass out in public. It's not smart behavior, I get that. What I don't get is the people that think it is okay to f*ck someone who is unconscious. How pathetic and disgusting do you have to be to do this? Who in the world could NOT see that clearly as RAPE. Would you give someone a pass for going to the local ICU ward and screwing the patients? I mean it's not like they said no. Or had guards at their doors. Hell, some of them weren't even wearing panties. That's *obviously* a signal that they wanted to have sex, but they were just to repressed to say yes.
I knew a girl in college that got drunk with some "friends", both male and female. She passed out. The people that she was with then decided to sodomize her various household objects. At one point they stuck a candle in her, lit it and took pictures. When she asked her "friends" why they had done this to her, they just shrugged and said "it's not like you knew what was going on" and "we thought it was pretty funny". It wasn't very funny to her when she woke up with her pants down and bleeding out her rectum.
A guy friend of mine got completely blitzed. He was half-conscious, puking his guts out in the toilet. We would check in on him every 30 minutes or so. At one point we found some woman that had been pursuing him giving him a blow job while he was moaning "no" and trying to kick her away. Two of our guy friends hauled the woman off him and kicked her out of the apartment. Someone here will probably say "no big deal". Really, how about the possibility of contracting herpes? Would you say the same if it was a man that assaulted him? Both incidents were sexual assault/rape. All of the perpetrators should have gone to jail. Unfortunately both victims were too ashamed/embarassed to go to the authorities. As far as saying that they acted stupid or were somehow culpable in what was done to them...I say bull. Neither of them had any reason to think that they were in unsafe situations. The girl was with people that she had been friends with and lived next to for months. The guy was in his own apartment, in his own bathroom! The only guilty parties were the disgusting people that assaulted them.
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MWise, the issue isn't a non-drunk man raping an unconscious woman, the gray issue
is what happens when two drunks have sex.
Some folks believe the man is responsible regardless of his state of intoxication.
Some folks believe the intoxicated woman is a good witness and if she says she said no and the accused says she did not, that she should be believed.
Some folks believe that both parties should be charged with raping the other one. Fair is fair.
Some folks believe that blaming the man no matter what, and believing the woman no matter what is a bigoted, misandric approach that will encourage fraud.
Some folks believe that blaming the man no matter what and believing the woman no matter what is condescending, patronizing, and belittling to women. It certainly doesn't seem to fit any notion of women being the equal of men.
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Anon have you read the last several pages?
And I quote:
"My kids will know that if they start fooling around at a party with some guy they just met, and that if both of them are drinking, and that if they pass out, then quite literally they are going to be fucked, and yes, if it is rape, I will do what I can to get the SOB tossed in jail, but they will still be fucked, and that they don't have Magical Vaginal Peace Rays to ward off STDs and babies and violent people, and I will console them, but I will also ask them what the fuck they were doing getting that drunk because they were acting like idiots."
*IF* IT IS RAPE?????
What a consoling parent this person must be, when at their kid's time of need, they dump on them that load of guilt.
Several people expressed the belief that passed out drunk = deserving rape victim.
I already stated my belief that consenting adults, even while intoxicated are consenting.
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MWise
If my daughters go to some party, get incredibly drunk to the point of passing out, start making out with men they don't know, and then complain the next day that another drunk raped them, then no, I'm not going to be too consoling.
Now, if they were given the alcohol against their will.... If they were conscious and overpowered....
But if what they say is that they are pretty sure they said no, but that they get passing out, and there are no witnesses otherwise, then well,
as a parent, I am told the virtue of the skinned knee, and I am told to let kids deal with the logical and natural consequences of their actions.
And if they act like a complete idiot, and cannot remember what happened, then no, I will not stand by them to let them accuse a man of rape because he failed to take the responsibility the gave up.
Because as I've said again and again, the man is almost certainly as drunk as they are. Why do they get to have no responsibility and get to demand they have not only their responsibility but the girls' as well?
If they can go to a party get so drunk as to pass out, make out with strangers, and their only complaint the next day is that another drunk made love to them?
Sounds like they got off real easy.
I can't protect them from everything, but I hope they can learn from their mistakes. Step one is admitting you made a mistake.
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MWise, your son goes to a party, he gets incredibly shitfaced, he starts making out with girls he doesn't know, he wakes up the next morning in bed with one of the girls
The girl accuses him of rape. He remembers that both were drunk, both were kissing, both were groping, and that's all he remembers.
He's your son, that's my daughter.
Your son is a rapist MWise. What say you?