Letters to the Editor
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@ Anonymous 02:05 PM
We await your reliable statistical evidence. Just saying that there is evidence does not equal evidence. You are both Anonymous and making an unsupported assertion. How are we supposed to judge the accuracy of your statement?
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@Agent Smith: 2:05's was unsupported but brings up the question.
What is your unsupported assumption?
I'm also curious how you felt about the Summer of '42? I want to know if, as Amanda Marcotte would say, you are a rape apologist and rape enabler.
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Mr. Red Star Delivery Agent, you gave a red star to Rachel's unsupported claim that there is no such thing as female rape of men?
Or that it is so low as to be ignorable in feminist discussions?
Is that really the offical Salon line then?
Females do not rape boys or men, and/or the rate is so low as to be reasonably ignorable when examining root causes and possible solutions.
This is not as Rachel says, a logical flaw in the argument, that one thing is wrong therefore it is not okay to work on something else.
What it is, is a logical flaw in the gray-rape argument, and the Broadstreet Feminist all nonconsensual sex is rape argument.
It's one thing during a scientific study to toss out a few outliers. But you have thrown out an entire known class of outliers on the dubious assumption that the rate is low.
That's bad logic and bad science.
Worse, you did this with rape, which as Amanda Marcotte and your talking points masters will tell you, is a notoriously underreported crime.
Shame on you, Mr. Red Star Delivery Agent, we can only conclude, as Amanda Marcotte would, that you are a rapist, a rape enabler, and a rape apologist.
As is Rachel F.
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Broad[sheet] Brush
Or that it is so low as to be ignorable in feminist discussions? Is that really the offical Salon line then? Females do not rape boys or men, and/or the rate is so low as to be reasonably ignorable when examining root causes and possible solutions.
It ought to be men's business to begin analyzing, counting, and delivering the instances where females perform the equivalent disservice to men.
Women have been quite gleeful to point out the worst behavior of a few men and to try to eradicate it (not a bad thing in itself). It is contingent upon men to return the favor now.
That means pointing all the cases I mentioned of women using men to get money, sperm, time, attention out of men by taking advantage of men's naivete, desperation, or other weaknesses.
Then we men ought to criminalize this behavior just as vehemently.
It is only FAIR. It also gets women to collectively LAY OFF US GOOD MEN and quit painting us all with the same
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@Agent Smith: Rambling Rose is not talking about your daughter now is, she?
Rambling Rose isn't speaking about women like your daughter that act responsibly, communicate with their partners, and respect their partners in a mutually agreeable relationship (be that one night or marriage)
Rambling Rose is speaking to sexual predation, women that understand the sexual power they hold over men, and then seek to exploit that and abuse that.
That's not how your daughter acts, is it?
And to think that I didn't even know there might be a "gray rape" problem going on with young women who tramp themselves around town acting and dressing like what we used to refer to as common sluts! So, THAT'S the hooking up thang, eh? Well, I wondered.
See,I thought the very nature of "hooking up" implied you wanted sex? So are you saying that all this sexually aggressive posturing with hooking up is defined as the just fooling around variety, like petting? Or does that also include actual penetration of the vagina? Silly me. Wow! And all this time, I thought that mixed signals were what guys used as an excuse to do what THEY wanted to do sexually with women. Hmm.
Oh, and the alcohol part: Yeah, that's still a huge problem, isn't it? Like, I mean, drink til you turn red and puke and can't lift your head to say, "Hell no. Get off me, Freak, before I pull your balls off your scrotum!" Man, what freedom!
And to think that the sexual and reproductive freedom that women like me and others were so vocally in favor over 40 years ago has now turned into young women acting like sexual thugs out prowling the bars for their next "hit and run" experience while young men await an opportunity to rape them? Oh, okay.
Rambling Rose is speaking to women that would intentionally drink more alcohol and than was healthy or wise and then disclaim any responsibility for any acts that then occurred by an equally drunk partner.
Your daughter would not do that. Your daughter drinks responsibly and knows her limits.
Rambling Rose is speaking to the women that, as I pointed out earlier, can be found on feministing, that think an evening of fun and enjoyment for everyone ends when her needs are met and who cares about her partners....
(That's as abusive as when Mr. Agent Smith would orgasm, roll off of you and go to sleep.)
Rambling Rose is speaking about women that send mixed signals, we can drink and lose our inhibitions, we can kiss, we can grope, you can rub me there and bring me to orgasm, but though we are completely drunk, the next day I can say that you never had permission to sink one home.
Agent Smith, your daughter would never act like that, and I am shocked you would imply she would. Your daughter is a mature, caring individual who understands that she would be taking advantage of another person if she were to act that way.
Agent Smith, I strongly suggest you have a talk with your daughter, it seems you have grossly misunderstood who she is.
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Misogyny Ahoy!
As guy, let me offer the following:
Real cases of false accusations and/or situations of mixed messages does not erase the real, larger problem of rape and rape deniers. As someone else put it: "It's a huge logical flaw in any argument - because we haven't fixed ALL problems, we shouldn't bother to fix this one."
All these other cases being cited are beside the point:
- Female teachers molesting students. Unlike male teachers who molest, female teachers don't get their actions hushed up and reassigned. Every single one of these women have been convicted and have done time. Victims of female molesters do not get their behavior put on trial, the defense do not try to argue the victim "seemed older" or is making it up.
- The Duke case. I'm tired of this being cited. An overzealous, unethical DA chose to charge before a complete investigation, but the system worked. They were exonerated and he's in trouble. It was the DA who did this, not the alleged victim - had he followed proper procedure it would've been resolved without wrecking lives.
One highly publicized case in no way proves a widespread pattern of false accusations. The difficulty of rape cases without hard evidence is documented, the fantasy of vast numbers of female false accusers doesn't exist.
If a guy is so sexist he genuinely believes women are inherently dishonest about sex, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Not only will he ignore obvious hints but also direct statements. The guys who most often complain about "not being a mind reader" are the ones who assume "not interested" is playing hard to get. Plus guys are equally evasive, as it's harder for someone to openly reject you if you aren't openly hitting on them until the last moment.
Plus, with sex as any risky choice anyone can be uncertain if they really want to do it until the last moment. This is NOT lying or leading someone on, it's being human.
I'm disturbed by how some guys are so invested in the idea rape is primarily a lie women use to get men, and that women overall are selfish, self-centered, angry, playing power games, etc. To these guys I say, projecting much?
How small and pathetic does have to be to assume the worst of half the human race? If you really think 50% of humans are spiteful, indecisive harpies, perhaps you should just take that final exit from this life you hate.