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Catherine Price abhors the distortion of medical evidence for political purposes but supports a frankly distorted report on DV. As is by now well known, men and women commit DV equally, but Carmona's report claims that women are the great majority of victims. That's false, but Price supports it anyway. Could that have anything to do with keeping large amounts of federal, state and local money flowing to DV programs which benefit women but not men? Nah. Price would never distort medical evidence for political purposes, right?

Robert,

I think you need to re-read what was posted:

'Women are the overwhelming majority of victims of sexual and intimate partner violence. "

It says sexual and partner violence - domestic violence in isolation does not include sexual violence.

As is by now well known, men and women commit DV equally...

"Equally"? Don't be ridiculous. You can't equate throwing papers with murder.

I don't. While men's DV is more injurious than women's, the incidence of DV is equal by sex. Those are the facts and the report misstates them.

of course DV includes sexual violence. It doesn't include all sexual violence, but it does include sexual violence done by one intimate partner to another. Sexual violence by one stranger against another is by far the minority of the sexual violence committed in this country.

I've never heard that domestic violence is committed as much by women as men. Please provide a citation for that statistic.

The best site to go to is Martin Fiebert's page. He's a Psych prof at Cal State Long Beach. He maintains a database of research on DV which includes over 170 scholarly investigations of current research with a sample size of over 170,000. If you just google his name, you'll come up with his site. Let me know if you have any difficulty and I'll find the exact site for you.

Just so you'll know, even women's DV centers no longer contest the fact that women and men batter equally in this country. They did for a long time, but now they've started admitting the facts.

Since you're an "endless student," I wonder what you've been taught on this topic in school.

Erin founded the first UK Women's Shelter and was one of the first founders of Women's Shelters anywhere.

Listen to Erin as she tells you the truth about DV as well as the feminists that sent her death threats for her work.

Ask yourself why Catherine Price has never mentioned Erin Pizzey's work?

http://fathersforlife.org/pizzey/pizzey.htm

Erin Pizzey — Founder of the Modern Women's Shelter Movement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Pizzey

Erin Pizzey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://briandeer.com/social/erin-pizzey.htm

Erin Pizzey, crusader for battered women, by Brian Deer

Another good source is Glenn Sacks.

http://www.glennsacks.com/source_page.htm

glennsacks.com | Source Page

Ask yourself why Glenn, an excellent source in these areas, and a very fair minded individual towards feminism as can be seen by real reading of his website, ask yourself why Glenn is never interviewed at Salon, asked to write at Salon, or mentioned in Broadsheet.

A google for Erin Pizzey at Pandagon.net, and feministe.us/blog and at feministing shows only a single mention of Erin Pizzey, and that is in a comment at Pandagon.

Broadstreet Feminism, just like Stalinism but with nicer tits.

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/csci_2101/false.html

Falsification of Photographs

http://www.englishrussia.com/?p=710

English Russia » Soviet Russian Photos Correction

I don't. -- Robert Franklin

It's ridiculous for you to claim that in response to me quoting you saying exactly that: "commit DV equally". Now, you could have made that true by qualifying it, but you didn't, so therefore it is a misrepresentation. Ironically, you did that in the direct context of criticizing somebody for misrepresenting the facts. Pure, blatant hypocrisy.

The statement that men and women hit one another in roughly equal numbers is true, however, it cannot be made in a vacuum without the qualifiers that a) women are seriously injured at seven times the rate of men and b) that women are killed by partners at more than two times the rate of men. -- Dr. Richard J. Gelles

So tell us Pyrian when it becomes equal/

11 : 19? Equal?

12 : 18? Equal?

13 : 17? Equal?

14 : 16? Equal?

When Pyrian does DV become an equal problem and thus worthy of your attention?

Should we change those men's death certificates from "run over by wife" to "paper cut?"

Shorter Pyrian: my abuse is worse than your abuse!!!! Wow, a penis fight about whose abuse is worse. That's pretty disgusting pyrian, even for you. Talk about objectifying and dehumanizing men.

Today's Broadstreet Feminism: With tactics approved by Dick Cheney.

words mean what they mean. When I said that men and women commit DV equally, I meant exactly that, and it's true. What is not equal are the results of the DV. I didn't comment on that because the article didn't. I was responding to the article.

It's actually very simple. When it gets hard is when the facts contradict your opinions. It's always easier to base your opinions on facts and let logic take you wherever it does.

As I said in my response to endlessstudent, even women's DV centers agree on this one. Why don't you?

Robert, do you like women and I am not asking from a sexual preference standpoint? Do you believe in equal pay, rights, etc?

This is coming from a man, BTW, and I just get the feeling from the tone of your responses that the female gender is not high on your list.

Interesting conclusion you draw. Actually, I've been involved in liberal politics for almost 40 years. That includes over three decades of feminism. I won't regale you with the countless hours I've spent working for these causes, but I will say that it is precisely because I do value the equality of the sexes that you perceive such frustration in my posts. Supporting sexual equality requires treating the sexes evenhandedly. It requires intellectual honesty in public discourse. And it is because those things are routinely lacking in feminist writing that you perceive a certain shortness of temper in what I post, and that I no longer call myself a feminist. Feminism has become special pleading on behalf of women irrespective of facts, honesty and balance. So the short answer to your question is "yes" which is why I find such fault with Broadsheet and other feminist screeds. (By the way, when they do get it right, I try to say that as well.)