Letters to the Editor
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And if you'd been reading the Broadsheet comment section
...you'd know that, even in a blog about woman's issues, men demand equal verbiage.
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the difference is HOW they talk and the question is why this image persists
I think it is because men talk to gain or maintain a tenable social position and women talk to bond. Once men realize there is nothing they can say to their wife that will make them look good they talk less and the wife still wants (at least for a while) to bond.
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A word women never say
Panties.
I've been married four times. I could never get any of those husbands to shut up. The first one talked about the ruling class all the time. The second one talked about every single thing that had happened at work that day. The third one talked about every stroke of the eighty-six he had played on the golf course that day. And the fourth one talks about love. He's the best.
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Flory bungles another post
The study has its limits -- it did focus entirely on the verbal patterns of college students; there might be an argument that the academic environment lessens differences in male-female verbosity.
Gee, ya think that might have an effect and tilt the outcomes? :rolleyes:
Just like that, another enduring stereotype expires.
Just like that, Flory sees whatever she wants to, with about as much intellectual honesty as a young earth creationist. She continues her usual ideologically based but scientifically unsupported assertion that psychologically women are the same as men, expect for whatever the evil patriarchy has imposed on them.
Still waiting for Flory to address the size differences by gender of specific centers of the brain related to specific tasks. Differences which are caused by hormonal changes in the womb by gender, specifically estrogen and testosterone.
The areas of the brain which are sized differently directly correlate to specific mental tasks and behavior, regarding socialization, eye-contact and empathy, and interest in things in the environment. Differences which are empirically measurable in studies, both brain autopsies and behavioral tracking.
Oh, but we're all completely alike and gender differentiation is just a myth. At least according to the expert women's studies "scientists" of Broadsheet.
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just asking for it
I think the perceived difference between the amount men and women talk is because men have less patience for anyone talking about things that don't interest them.
Yeah, yeah, sexist, whatever. But I'm serious. Most people are boring most of the time. Women are trained to bat their eyes and look fascinated when men are boring. Men are trained to change the subject to themselves when women are boring.
Also - women talk louder. If you don't believe me, you are welcome to sit next to the table full of slightly drunken laughing women, and I'll gladly sit next to the drunken laughing men. It's terrifying how loud women can be when you get several of them together.
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the differences
the difference is HOW they talk and the question is why this image persists
Generally speaking, men and women tend to talk about different things by choice and have different interests. It's part cultural reinforcement of norms, and part natural brain differences which are structured towards different priorities.
One difference is that women are generally more empathetic, meaning they want more emotional reciprocation in conversation, and may discuss emotional dynamics which can be burdensome for some men. Another example is the tendency for women to watch soap operas, read dramas, or gossip, basically working out emotional dramas, the more convoluted the better.
By comparison men tend to be more interested in things, so the mechanics and trivia of their car engine or the mechanics of their workplace politics may seem more fascinating, which can be burdensome for some women. For example guys tend to have tinkering hobbies, focused on building or messing with mechanical things, the more convoluted the better.
Of course there is a great deal of overlap, especially when focused on work or study, where obviously people talk about work and study. And socialization towards wholly rational and pursuits, such as mathematics for example, will gender neutralize conversations.
But in regards to personal interests and the ways in which people experience the world, those are biologically skewed by gender. Those biases also influence probability of studies, hobbies, and other pursuits, which then influence career and lifestyle choices.
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A seriously biased sample
Choosing a college campus context for the research would likely mean that the sample pooled more verbally oriented people than is normative for the population.
Without selecting more representative ratios for variables relating to socio-economic status, IQ, and work role the college sample just tells you that tertiary educated males talk at similar levels to tertiary educated females. Given that just being enrolled in college courses requires one to participate verbally I would wonder how much the gender variable is actually being measured at all.
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Tracy, do you even try anymore?
by male and female college students
So Tracy, if this study had found the opposite results, what would be the first words out of your mouth?
We've been through this before, haven't we?
Do you actually give a shit about intellectual honesty, or is it all just pimp your favorite cause and pickup your paycheck?
Is any study that purports to have valid scientific results just uncritically looked at? If so, good, because I have a slew of studies that show that the false allegations of rape are as high as 40-60%.
Let's talk about that sometime, because that would be another 7.9 Cultural Richter Scale Earthquake, don't you think Trace?
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Why bother?
Seriously? Why is this even an issue?
The only reason I can think of is because somebody has it in their collective heads that their way is better, and use the other side's way as proof that the other side is somehow lesser than they are. Really, this is such a trivial issue in the grand scheme of things that there's no reason to care.
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sex-related differences go away with high IQ
Yeah, sorry, I got taught this in college in the 1980s. You'll find more verbal men and women more capable of spatial manipulation at a university. It turns out that one way to be smart is to be good at what both sexes tend to be good at, rather than just your own. It's depressing that people can get papers off stuff that was already known about decades ago, but science is cultural and culture sometimes forgets.