Letters to the Editor
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Maybe I misunderstand Deering's point
but most guys are not as stupid as they 'act' around a girl to get a girl into bed.
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Good grief
She doesn't consider adoption (on-screen) either. Does that make her anti-orphanage? Anti-foster parent? She wants to get her man involved. Does it make her anti-single mom?
I'm very much in favor of a woman's right to private medical counsel, and if that includes terminating pregnancy, within a reasonable time frame, it's really none of my business.
This is a career woman, priveleged, with a well paying job and a family to support her. The idea that she must seriously consider abortion to satisfy some radical feminist notion of gender politics, is truly sickening, disgusting, and frightening.
If she had considered it, I'd not have been offended. I probably would have been a little turned off by what it says about our disposable, consumerist society, that the woman seriously considers it but basically only needs one because the baby would be slightly inconvenient for her.
I think it is just this sort of rectal-cognitive analysis that will spell D-O-O-M for abortion rights in this country. I hope Dana Stevens feels great about that.
I'll leave you with a quote from Chris Rock. "Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's to be done! I can learn to drive a car with my feet, but that don't make it a good fucking idea!"
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Roger Ebert, Get Well Soon!
This movie is a prime example of what the esteemed Mr. Ebert calls the "Idiot Plot." Meaning that the whole movie would simply not take place if the characters didn't act so clueless in the first place!
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@ Brightstar and Ben Dover
Whoa, you guys misunderstood me. I said that 1) the idea that "it's funny to make the guy "grow up" by springing a pregnancy on him, and that deep down guys are really just longing for this kick in the pants," is a truly insulting idea to men and women alike; 2) it's not feminist women who promote that crap--it's right-wing conservatives; 3) most women with sense do _not_ want to "have" to make a man "grow up." If a guy isn't mostly an adult and you don't like most of the things about him, why are you with him?
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No, I didn't misunderstand you.
I got it just fine, thank you. You misunderstood and/or didn't comprehend what I said. I doubt you ever could.
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No, ben, I read it too and you did misunderstand, or pretended to
deering--I read the responses to your insightful comment and thought 'what's that got to do with the price of tomatoes in China"? They seemed to have responded to an argument you didn't make, and your further explanation seems to do no good. I think maybe people just enjoy being contrary, and the effort to clue them in is wasted.
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My point was
IT'S A FUCKING MOVIE. Don't read too much into it. The objective is to get people to buy tickets and make money.
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Maybe I still do not get your point
but many women prefer immature men because the women feel power over them or feel superior to them or want to mother them, maybe not consciously but unconsciuosly it probably plays a role.
certainyl dumber immature guys are seemingly more 'fun', seemingly less bothered by life, seemingly are on top of their game.
another flaw in how women think and 'choose' the men they shack up with.
Or maybe not- after all, any dunce who can have fun while "Rome" burns, as it is these days with the Bush in the house, must have better genes to reproduce with.
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The reality of the situation
Failing to discuss abortion as an option truly misses the reality of the situation. I imagine that any thinking woman who is not automatically against abortion would seriously consider it as an option, especially if she knows next to nothing about the father. The likelihood of being a single parent, the wide-ranging adjustments one would have to make in one's life, the responsibilities one might end up having to take on alone, would all figure into the equation. Even in the rosiest assessment--that the baby is not premature and is healthy (neither of which can be guaranteed)--and with daycare and baby-sitting support from family and friends, tackling parenthood by oneself is a huge challenge. Leaving abortion out of the discussion passes judgment on it as either bad or unimportant in a passive way. Better to address it directly and make the decision from there.
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Look, if you're going to be chained to a woman and child for 18 years
And face it, most of us men are or will be,
Then you have to admit, the woman in that film is a pretty hot ball and chain. Better than most of the sad sacks I see walking around the mall with a baby stroller are stuck with.
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Ugh!
I saw this movie last night. Wow, 'Knocked Up' is the most anti-female movie I've seen in a long time. Every female character who was a professional was portrayed as incompetent and unprofessional. Every female character that was assertive was portrayed as bad and/or given a comeuppance. The sister's character was only 'redeemed' after the stoner ripped her a knew one and cursed her out. (Her response is to get all dazed and say "I think I like him.") I could go on and on. It made Blues Brothers look like a feminist manifesto.
I enjoyed "Waitress," which is also about an unwanted pregnancy, although I wished someone would make a story depicting that sort of marriage from the male point of view. I felt "Waitress" told the story with too broad a brush, although it never pretended to be anything other than a fairy tale.
Back to Knocked Up, I think that choosing to continue a pregnancy can be a really life affirming choice. But the way this movie told that story made me want to scour the inside of my own womb with a brillo pad. I'll never be able to enjoy Freaks and Geeks again.