You said it well. I attended management classes when I was working for a large, well known Aerospace company. The students had to be nominated by their managers to attend. Of the 25 students, two of us were female. During a class discussion on the history of discrimination, it was pointed out that there would be a certain percentage of women and minorities advanced to address past discriminations and properly represent the current population of the company (this was 1983).

Several white males now felt they were discriminated against. It never occurs to folks that the white male has been in charge (and still is) until we all take it back. Many people do not know that men of color were given the vote before women in 1870 with the Fifteenth Amendment. It was not until the Nineteenth Amendment in 1920 that women were given the right to vote. Also look back into history where women were not allowed to own property. It has been a tremendous struggle to achieve the rights afforded men.

What happens when guys treat gals equally in all areas, not just the cherry-picked portions feminists focus on?

That's not the question, MerelyMortalMale.

The question is, when will *men* demand that *other men* treat them as well as women demand men treat them?

Because, see, it's not women making men work on high-rises, in dangerous jobs, with a lack of decent worker protections. it's not women who undercut OSHA, it's not women who sign into law at-will statutes that allow businesses to fire anyone they don't like for any reason except a small handful of protected categories. Because WOMEN ARE NOT IN CHARGE. Men are.

When will you wake up and demand that other men stop treating you like shit?

Why do you have to be so aggressive to get paid a fair wage? Do you think that's fair to men who aren't aggressive? Do you think women created that situation?

Why do you have to ask women for dates and never the other way around? Hint: check your spambox. It's not full of ads for "Sexy, intelligent, self-actualized women think you're hot and want to fuck you!" No, it's all about sluts and whores and barely legal teens. Because women who actively want sex, women who would be willing to sleep with you, are sluts. Everyone says so, including men, including men who are trying to get you to be aroused by the porn they are selling featuring said women. As long as we are constantly calling women who want sex "sluts", women will never admit to wanting sex, and you will always have to ask for dates. Wanna fix it? It's men who sell the porn, men who make the ad copy, men who control most of the media. Go to it, buddy! We feminists were only able to get just so far with the problem because men aren't on board, but as soon as you convince your fellow men that they would get laid more often if they stopped calling women sluts, I'm sure that the male need to be super-assertive in pursuit of a date will be a thing of the past!

Why do you let other men enslave you, sacrifice your family life and your quality time with your lover, your friends, your "you" time, just so you can work your ass off for a company that doesn't really care? Women won't do this, so they get paid less. You get paid more. Enjoy your money when you're 65 and all used up. You're going to die in your late 60's or early 70's, basically alone because your wife and kids forgot who you are and all your friends knew you through work, but hey, you'll live large during those final lonely years!

Our society, and by "our society" I mean primarily men because it's primarily men who run everything, penalize women for behaving like normal human beings and not wanting to sacrifice their entire lives to work. Yeah, men get paid more. Selling your soul is always going to earn more than not doing so. When are men going to wake up and realize that they don't *have* to sell their entire lives to the corporate powers that be? Women and men won't get pay equity unless women either start acting as insane in the pursuit of money as men do or men start reclaiming their humanity.

Yes, men do all the dangerous jobs in our society. Who told them to do that? I'm pretty sure that their moms didn't hold guns to their heads to make them work construction. I'm also pretty sure that the insane levels of sexual harassment women put up with in such jobs is part of the reason why women haven't started taking more of those jobs.

I'm sorry, but when your gender controls the media, the government, and the corporations, you don't get to claim that you are oppressed BY THE OPPOSITE SEX. You are oppressed, there's no doubt in my mind about that, but it's your own kind doing it to you. Women already did our consciousness-raising and figured out the ways we were contributing to our own subjugation. Your turn.

The study was done by an association of American university WOMEN. That alone should raise a flag. The AAUW, after all, "proved" girls were short-changed in classrooms because boys were called on more. They omitted the fact that the boys were “called on” to be disciplined. Now that its boys who are short-changed, feminists don't give a hoot .

It’s like their biased focus on Title IX. They see it solely in terms of sports. The act itself, though, refers to “education programs.” So do feminists press for equal numbers of Men’s Studies programs, Men’s Centers, or mandatory courses on military history, male-created businesses, and fatherhood? Do they want equal funding for prostate cancer research? No. Feminism, after all, isn’t about equality. It’s about making life cushier for women, harder for men.

Do feminists care about the personal price men pay to be economically "aggressive"? No. They just want the benefits men get from doing so. The feelings of men who ask for raises and don't get them are of no concern to women’s groups. Like dating, they expect men to do the hard stuff: ice-breaking, making and paying for dates, etc. That men suffer and hurt when rejected is unimportant to them. That men learn, as a result, to negotiate better salaries DOES disturb them...but not enough to walk-the-walk men did.

Does the AAUW talk of the extra money men need to date equally or pay post-divorce costs?

No. It whines about women staying home with kids while men enjoy the luxury of digging coal miles underground. Surely the AAUW doesn’t want women dying equally in the military.

Predominantly white and female, the most pampered beings in history, feminists forever whine about ever-more petty things. Ensconced in weather-controlled high-rises built by males, they skew reality to make life itself seem unfair. And men's fault. Of course they expect males to keep doing all the dirty, dangerous jobs stoically and silently.

What happens, though, if men start demanding that women finally do their fair share?

What happens when guys treat gals equally in all areas, not just the cherry-picked portions feminists focus on?