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Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:00 AM

MTV2 "satire" puts black women on leashes

A cartoon depicts black women collared, crawling on all fours and defecating on the floor.

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Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:24 PM

huh?

so it's OK for snoop to leash up women, it's just not OK to make a cartoon about it?

Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:44 PM

No "huh?" necessary

No, the claim made, whether you buy it or not, was that the cartoon was mocking or satirizing Snoop's behavior. Snoop leads two women on leashes; a cartoon is made in which the women actually behave like dogs, and even a dog is offended.

Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:48 PM

Fun

I used to have a girlfriend that I would have dress up in a skimpy outfit and sit at my feet on a leash. SEXY.

Thursday, August 10, 2006 01:23 PM

Robert Crumb, a Historical perspective

I find it fascinating that R. Crumb used nearly the same caricature in his cartoons in the sixties, only his image featured some white businessmen "mounting" the caricature.

Did both images express misogeny? Yes. Did both images create controversy? Absolutely.

As other posters have noted, Snoop really does this (minus the defecation), and yet the outcry is limited until a cartoon does it. Perhaps the juxtaposition of our cultural norms reflected through animation (considered by many a child's genre) is what is really causing the cognitive dissonance.

Thursday, August 10, 2006 01:28 PM

Late night uncensored BET

Does this for rizzle. Yous jus mad MTVtizzle is fo the white kids.

Thursday, August 10, 2006 01:28 PM

So...?

So does Salon care about black women now or just cartoon women???

Thursday, August 10, 2006 02:02 PM

but was it funny?

The term satire is bandied about a great deal now a days, and often as simply a synonim for humor.

Satire is the manipulation of actual statments belifes or actions for humerous effect. The best modern example is the daily show's signature stringing of news clips together to show the hypocracsy of elected individuals.

Burlesque is the exageration of actual statments belifes or actions for humerous effect. In this sense the Colbert Report often drifts from the world of Satire into the world of Burlesque.

The onion is often more burlesque than satire, however in a world where actual events begin to mirror onion articles, the line between satire and burlesque becomes blurred.

I can see an attempt at mockery of the culture of objectification in this piece as described. The notion is to take this idea to its next level. Mr. Doggelstein in reality walks out on stage with women on leashes, but after the show, he then is responsible for the care, feeding, and cleaning up of his pets. It is sexy to objectify other people but to take that objectification to the next level shows the hollowness of it.

Consider the Stepford wives, it is thought to be a male fantasy to have a woman who does as she is told, but if that means she loses her humanity, loses her self, how hollow is that relationship from then on. She does as she is told, but that is all she does, and you are left as alone as you were before her.

Likewise, a woman is a bitch, but now she has messed on the floor, and you must clean it up. Although there are probably those who would still find it sexy, I doubt Mr. Doggelstein truly would.

I can't say as I would find this sketch funny, but that is subjective, it clearly is mocking the cultural image that Snooperton Doggelstein creates.

Thursday, August 10, 2006 02:33 PM

Maybe it poorly executed

But did it occur to anyone that it isn't just Snoop Dog getting satirized here?

Maybe the real live women that actually permitted ol' Snoop to leash them up have also been deemed worthy of parody. After all, they didn't seem to have a problem appearing in public like that.

Oh wait. I guess they didn't actually choose to be there. Snoop's girls are all victims. Lured in by the charm and masculine power and perceived superiority of the Snoop.

I can't believe I just typed that with a straight face.

No, some women are just foolish, stupid, and shallow, and willing to let foolish, stupid, shallow men (and women) convince them to participate in tacky, undignified stunts. So yes, it's fair game for satire. Just like most other willful public behavior.

Thursday, August 10, 2006 04:53 PM

You're 25 years too late.

MTV has sucked since its inception.

It has never been anything but sexist and racist.

Are you just now figuring this out?

Friday, August 11, 2006 06:19 AM

MTV2- Taking on stereotypes

But the actual event happened 3 years ago. Is MTV2 that slow on the up take?

MTV constantly has images of scantily clad women dancing around fully dressed men. The majority of the horrible teenagers on My Super Sweet Sixteen are girls. They focus an entire show around pagent life on Tiara Girls. MTV has a history of showing women in degrading situations and now they expect someone to believe this is satire?

Friday, August 11, 2006 10:29 AM

By the man...

Safe 'satire' of the man, by the man has been pretty much been MTV's M.O. as long as I can remember.

They've always trucked in a few ugly things. The Onion AV Club (the not made up) part had a great article partly about the informal ban on black people's videos MTV had in the early days.

The only stereotype they've struggled against is the one where they play music videos.

Friday, August 11, 2006 12:39 PM

Response to MTV2/Snoop "women on leashes" episode

The entire incident is disgusting. Misogynistic, irresponsible, unnecessary. Great power requires responsibility. MTV programming refuses to take responsibility for the role it plays in young peoples' lives, shaping their values, goals and aspirations. I don't understand why few in the media response point out the hole in the corporate response -- saying that the cartoon is a "satire" on the "incident" in real life doesn't cut it. The real incident took place at MTV's own music video awards! A staged event, created and conceived by MTV, approved by MTV, allowed my MTV.

Disgusting. I hope women everywhere are outraged, and counter by teaching their daughters and nieces not to accept such negative portrayals, dehumanizing, devalueing and putdowns of women. This is the oldest "hate crime" in history.

Saturday, August 12, 2006 01:35 PM

The "dogg" and his "pets"

I've been trying to come to a conclusion on this one, and I think its highly tricky. I agree that MTV promotes the gansta style, and so its proclamations of satire are a bot disingenuous from that perspective.

But the comment from the dog ... "I find that degrading and I am a dog." ... tells me there's more going on here. If the cartoon were simply a Dogg look-a-like leading these women around on dog chains, I'd fully agree with the complaints, but it does seem to me there's more going on here. Even as far back as Beavis and Butthead, MTV has never been shy about criticizing and questioning its audience ... while there were certainly a few people who emulated Beavis and Butthead, anyone who didn't see MTV poking fun at the stoner, slacker, stupid stereotype of some of its viewers was willfully blind.

I see this cartoon in much the same way. Using images that its audience will understand and embrace, it slides in messages at the same time. If this was just a cartoon about a guy leading women around on leashes, I'd agree with the criticism. But I clearly see more going on here, and I clearly see commentary on that image, commentary that is positive and socially relevant. Among other things, the commentary from the dog is what puts this in the world of satire. Its a baseball bat version of satire, without a doubt, but so was Beavis and Butthead. MTV's target audience responds to baseball bat satire very well. IMO, this was a disturbing image, but one with a positive message in the end.

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