Kicking ass and taking names! You go!

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0607.benen.html

This article argues Republicans are looking for trouble by obsessing about private sexual behavior, and explicitly says that the party who does this will be marginalized by American voters. The "politics of the personal" is about to bite Republcians in the butt, as their top polling three best presidential candidates have the same problem as a certain past Democratic president. That's good news for the Democrats. Marginalizing the "politics of the personal" people on the left would be a smart policy for progressives in the next presidential race.

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Is talking about sex more trivial or less trivial than talking about fat, and how black men prefer women with big thighs?

Why is going down on a male any more or less degrading or gross than going down on a female? I wouldn't want to read any rants from people about "fish" or being "pussy-whipped." We're all sexual beings--we all have genitals. What purpose does it serve to demean each other's bodies and the giving of sexual pleasure? If you care at all about your partner, don't you want to share that with them?

Why? Because at the core, feminists despise men.

Anything else they do is window dressing they put on to get their way with us, manipulate us, use us men some more.

It seems to me that Twisty's most impassioned critics attacked not her characterization of blowjobs as "submissive sexbot drudgery," but rather her presentation -- and I paraphrase -- of her own subjective preference ("I don't enjoy giving blowjobs.") as objective truth ("No woman enjoys giving blowjobs unless she has been brainwashed by The Patriarchy.").

I misunderstand the problem.

Is it that men only owe women something (cunnilingus) but women owe men nothing (BJs)?

Is there no such thing as love inside women for their men?

men enjoy BJs. Does this mean men should be punished for it?

if women enjoy cunnilingus, should they be punished by men in return?

how is it that a man can go down on a woman and it not be considered submissive when the opposite is supposedly true?

Is the difference between glory and rancor the five extra exposed inches between an average stiff clitoris and an average stiff penis?

Does the five extra inches mean that men get to be punished for eternity by women?

Does feminism mean the hatred NEVER STOPS for men?

Does feminism mean the end to rationality and reason and reasonableness?

Someone please get me off this planet, the women obviously despise the extra five inches and I am SICK TO DEATH OF all the irrational HATRED they have for us.

(women refuse to explain themselves logically on these points and they refuse to stop complaining illogically, therefore I do not bother to listen anymore. THIS LOGICAL RESPONSE MAKES MORE AND MORE SENSE TO ME EVERY DAY)

As explained to me by a young man who may or may not have only been speaking the thereoretical, on why he would not let a girl go down on him, but he would go down on a girl:

"With a girl, you don't have to take anything into your mouth. It's more like you're looking for something that's not there."

And when most men don't need oral sex to come, and some women do, it does provide another argument against requiring a bj for cunnilingus.

I don't usually comment, especially on things that don't particularly apply to me. I think a lot of people are thinking about the subject all wrong. If you don't like it, don't do it. If you're partner doesn't like that, find another one.

As a gay man, I personally love giving my boyfriend a blowjob. I enjoy giving pleasure. I also like receiving. I think we've pretty well figured out that everyone likes different things. Some people like anal, some don't; some people like rimming, some don't; some people are straight, some gay.

Part of a relationship is sexual compatibility. If you care enough about someone to have sex with them, you should be able to find a common ground in the sex you both enjoy.

In short, it's not a power thing unless you make it one. and if you're being forced to do something sexually, that's rape. End of story.

This in-fight has taken over sites outside of Salon that SHOULD be paying attention to more substantive issues. Twisty's game is not just being discussed here. It's getting the space in other blogs that should be going to the Voting Rights Act. It's getting the kind of blog attention that needs to be on other things. It's caused a fight that weakens progressives at a critical time.

It's one thing to discuss silly topics in a sane, civil way, within the context of a literary magazine. The discussion of bjs across the blogosphere is now out of context and out of proportion. When people start equating bjs to oppression, they've lost perspective.

We can talk about fat and everything else in it's place, in it's context. But Twisty has distracted feminist blogs from something important they should be dealing with. Twisty litmus tested feminism in a trivial way.

"Does the five extra inches mean that men get to be punished for eternity by women?

Does feminism mean the hatred NEVER STOPS for men?

Does feminism mean the end to rationality and reason and reasonableness?

Someone please get me off this planet, the women obviously despise the extra five inches and I am SICK TO DEATH OF all the irrational HATRED they have for us."

Geeze, I guess if you don't want to give blow jobs to this guy it's easier for him to accept it if he paints all of womenkind as manhaters. I wonder if lack of breast feeding did this to him or something. Please, dude, you don't need a woman to get satisfaction. Do it yourself, or perhaps only a guy can really understand and appreciate your five extra (angry) inches.

Geeze, I guess if you don't want to give blow jobs to this guy it's easier for him to accept it if he paints all of womenkind as manhaters. I wonder if lack of breast feeding did this to him or something. Please, dude, you don't need a woman to get satisfaction. Do it yourself, or perhaps only a guy can really understand and appreciate your five extra (angry) inches.

typical so-called answer from a feminist:

1. insult the poster

2. imply he is gay

3. imply he is mentally ill

4. imply he hates women

5. imply his mother was inadequate

6. most importantly, do not offer a USEFUL LOGICAL RATIONAL REASONED RESPONSE

She hit many feminist insulting points and did not respond with a counterargument. CONGRATS!

How can I argue with such an insulting, disrespectful stance?

Further, what poor guy has to suffer with this ape of a woman?

Don't worry hon, no one will ever mistake you for an intellectual