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Friday, May 5, 2006 12:00 AM

Another look at top-25 lists

Turns out the Mt. Lebanon High School "Top 25 of 2006" is grosser than we thought.

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Friday, May 5, 2006 05:07 PM

Easy to dismiss, but

Normally I don't get in a lather about teenage stupidity, but conscious cruelty deserves community scorn-- even if it is Sen. Santorum's home town. Sometimes boys will be boys-- and they need to learn to grow up, respect women, and be men.

Put the shoe on the other gendered foot-- how devastating and scarring would this be if it were done to a group of boys? Why should anyone discount the effect on the girls?

Friday, May 5, 2006 05:17 PM

Who does object to "girls being girls"

Unless it's other girls or unless they turn up pregnant or unless the girls themselves complain. Nobody it seems to me, except for fundamentalists who object to everything.

Friday, May 5, 2006 05:50 PM

Lists

Gosh, if they were female teachers posting lists of male students they had sex with, they'd probably get less attention from the MSM and the Salon feministas.

The distinction between patriarchal rigidity/puritanism and feminist rigidity/puritanism gets blurrier every day....

Friday, May 5, 2006 06:10 PM

Make up your minds

Look, ladies, make up your minds: either we women are equal to men, or we are not. Either we are capable of putting up with idiocy, or we must be protected. Either we are people or we are victims.

So a teenage prank is gross? Big deal. Do you think anyone would have batted an eyelid if this list had been compiled by high school girls about boys?

Friday, May 5, 2006 06:29 PM

Man, is this a sweet reason to homeschool

Friday, May 5, 2006 06:34 PM

Grrr

Salon ate my message body.

Although I wouldn't want my daughter exposed to this kind of idiocy, I'd actually be more concerned with my son taking part in it or being around it even if he didn't do it. How can anyone learn in that kind of environment?

This list is slanderous and the writers should be punished in an embaressing public spectacle. That will make the little beasts think twice about acting like such retards.

Friday, May 5, 2006 06:49 PM

There's nothing acceptable about this behavior

Feminists want women and girls to be treated like human beings, not meat-puppets.

So in regards to your "choice" Anon, my question is this: were you born stupid or did something just hit you in the head?

Friday, May 5, 2006 06:58 PM

How on earth is this news?

How on earth is this news? People old enough to have hormones have been talking this shit for ages and they're not going to stop because their parents feign an attack of the vapors. Yes, it's wrong, but all you need to do is call the people who do it juvenile asshats and get on with life.

Yes, this time it was boys, who tend to be less discreet about it than girls (though not by much), but anyone who says that girls do not engage in this same behavior is either a woman lying to protect the sisterhood or else a man with extremely poor eavesdropping skills.

Friday, May 5, 2006 08:12 PM

It is very bad when boys talk about girls in degrading ways, but . . .

It is perfectly acceptable for Salon to make a profit by quoting the nastiest stuff to provide content for their blog.

What next, the weekly world news as examples of irresponsible journalism?

Friday, May 5, 2006 08:13 PM

I thought the taco comment was kind of funny

It's not like they called her a spic or something

Friday, May 5, 2006 08:17 PM

Future Frat Boyz

Reducing people to a collection of body parts is always objectionable.

If I was the parents of one of these boys, I would be horrified. Just as I would be if I found my child torturing the neighbours cat. Wonder where the young men who join Frat houses and then think gang fucking okay come from? Take the names of these boys and check on them in 7 years.

No - I am not over reacting, nor am I ignoring normal hormonally induced stupidity.

These boys on not sneaking their dad's Penthouse, they are dehumaninzing girls they go to school with.

I wonder what they will be like when they grow up and get a job and work with women?

Friday, May 5, 2006 11:54 PM

For gawdsakes, lighten up!

I didn't think Broadsheet could be any more irrelevant, I was wrong.

You're surprised that young teens act like...young teens? Are you for real?

There are real and important issues out there in the world and in the schools. This isn't one of them.

Saturday, May 6, 2006 04:01 AM

It damn well should be important...

Alan, Kevin, anon, no name -

Telling ourselves and our daughters that this kind of thing is not important is a big part of why attitudes towards girls and women haven't changed in centuries. Women should feel perfectly justified in demanding respect from men and in making every boy and man know that this kind of crap won't be tolerated.

I know that nothing will change the need for some neandrathals who pass themselves off as alpha males to denigrate women. That's a flaw in the DNA that we have yet to evolve away from, but thinking it's perfectly all right to make those thoughts public so as to humiliate (and intimidate) the girls involved is something every parent should take seriously. It's up to them to make sure boys learn that this kind of behavior is completely unacceptable.

We are not living in the Dark Ages. As men, we can teach our sons so much better than this.

Saturday, May 6, 2006 05:47 AM

If behavior like this is not treated as a serious mistake

then the "kids who are just being kids" grow up never realizing that it's a mistake at all, conclude that it's perfectly all right, and go on to do worse things, just like the kids who torture animals, vandalize property, bully the weak, and cheat and plagiarize. The community needs to communicate that all these things are wrong -- and communicate why they're wrong -- with one voice.

Sooner or later, kids have to stop being kids and become adults. This doesn't happen spontaneously. It only happens if adults who know how to be adults inform them. You need look no further than our president to see the results of adult negligence on this score.

Saturday, May 6, 2006 07:05 AM

You don't think this "should be taken seriously"?

You guys know what? I don't really care if Broadsheet, the school board, or Salon readers think "should be" treated seriously or it "shouldn't be" treated seriously.

The law already thinks that this should be treated serious, so all the girls on that list should run, not walk, to their local tort lawyer.

"Defamation is a legal action sounding in tort based on an:

1) intentional or reckless public false statement

2) that injures another person's reputation.

Libel and slander are types of defamation. Generally, libel is defamation in print and slander is spoken defamation. Court cases have blurred the line between libel and slander, however. Defamation is governed by state statutes or common law. Generally, there are only 4 categories of action that you can sue for defamation

1) Someone saying you're bad at your job

2) someone saying you have a horrible disease (AIDS, herpes are good examples)

3) saying someone is a criminal

4) saying bad things about someone's sexual activity.

The general PA statute on freedom of expression in schools is here:

http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/022/chapter12/s12.9.html

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