Letters to the Editor
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But those 16 year old girls are smart!
They won't fall for stuff like ignoring them and flirting with their best friend, getting them drunk at a cool guy's house, convincing them that you already slept with two other girls they know, implying that they are prude if they won't go all the way, treating them badly and pushing them away while sending them seductive signals, using light touch on sensory spots, liking their favorite band, getting high, etc.
These are the daughters of ** feminists ** who already know that men are evil. No way they will get played by a devil like you. These girls can handle it all on their own. Come on!
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LeCastor in La La Land
Look, condoms are what, 80% effective? So, if you say okay to sex, you say okay to a 20% failure rate? Or, you say, wait, get on birth control, too? And get him tested? Or, you fall back on an abortion?
I don't believe in this mixed message. The right message is much more simple:
NO SEX
No sex until you are ready for the possible outcome. And the only good environment to raise kids involves two parents. So, it should wait until you're engaged. That is the point. The engagement is a test run.
So, yes, call me extreme, I say wait. And I don't accept that such self-restraint is not realistic or possible. Buy your daughter a vibrator. Teach her how to masturbate. Hell, let her be a lesbian for awhile. The point is not avoiding sex, but avoiding pregnancy and disease.
Sure, this means that people will get married younger. But I don't see how getting married older has improved anything. All we have is more single mothers, more one person households, more serial marriage, and more divorce trauma. That is not an improvement.
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What's really shocking is this
The anti-feminist men who patrol Broadsheet suffer from a kind of schitzophrenia.
On one hand, when Erin Sullivan says that she doesn't know what to so that her sons won't grow up to be rapists, the anti-feminists get septic shock from anyone implying than men are more violent than women. Any stereotyping of men as evil scumbags or violent predators sends you guys into a total frenzy of insults and misogyny.
But then, when someone proposes educating women rather than protecting them from evil men, treating women with respect and trusting their choices, and consequently treating men with the expectation that they are not, contrary to popular belief, sex-crazed animals.... you people start screaming about how men actually ARE violent sex-crazed animals. That women need to be protected from these horrible manipulative abusive deceptive men.
So you want us to treat men with respect and not stereotype them, but when we start talking about how women are actually people who can make decisions for themselves, you yourself revert to stereotyping men.
So one day, you're against stereotyping men, and then next day, you're against expecting men to behave themselves. But what you seem to be consistently against is women asserting their rights to be treated as equal human being capable of rational thought and decision-making.
Or am I wrong?
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borinquena - you demonstrate arrogance and mockery
what first encounter was any good, anyway?
in your world, sex is a cheap commodity.
and loyalty something to be mocked.
THAT is what is really sad...
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What is really shocking part II
You anti-feminists don't care about men. You talk about protecting women from having sex and STD's
but what about the boys? Do boys not deserve to be protected from STDs? Do you just not care? And what about boys having sex before marriage, is that okay, or is this rule just for girls? Would you advocate your boy being gay (what an absurd suggestion for either gender) to avoid pregnancy?
What you seem to really care about is women having sex, not men.
And btw, people who get married before 25 have a higher chance of getting divorced than those afterwards. So if you want to reduce divorce, later marriage is better.
If you think that you could succesfully convince people to not have sex until they are married, you're the one in la la land.
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Let's not diss birth control
"Look, condoms are what, 80% effective?"
Condoms are about 97% effective if used properly (i.e., follow the instructions on the package). Those stats come from scientific studies, not Google. Furthermore, if 3% is too much chance for you, combine two forms. A condom and a over-the-counter form for women such as vaginal foam is approximately as safe as tubal ligation.
There are arguments that could be made for delaying sexual activity until a committed relationship, of which the ultimate is marriage. The biggest reason, I think, is that it's easy for one party to grow a lot more attached than another in a casual relationship and end up being hurt (and that can be the man or the woman).
But if a couple wants to have sex without getting pregnant, that can be done 999 times out of 1000.
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Obviously different people have different opinions so when you put it all together of course its schizophrenic
I think there are two main groups: Those who want it acknowledged that men and women are different and that these differences can be a problem(as well a benefit obviously, at least I hope it is) for woman, and men, and want to figure out how to deal with it without demonizing anyone. Sometimes members of this group get carried beyond the point of reasonableness. The second group is promoting a fundie/traditionalist agenda using what they hope is a secular and gender sensitive tone.
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Or am I wrong? -- LeCastor
This one is too easy. Yes.
Unless you can prove a specific poster has hypocritically argued both sides of the same coin, STFU. You make the same mistake, OK, one of the same mistakes you usually do: whip out that very broad brush and decide you can paint everyone with it when they disagree with you. As if you don't get personal when that suits you, or try cherry-picking citations when you think that scores points, or fall back on your "hardscrabble" upbringing if you think pity is the right card to play. You're the resident village idiot, good for a laugh. You always take the bait, and we thank you by feeding you more.