Stephen Colbert is mine, mine, MINE! All mine!

Look, lady, stick to Clooney and Bruce--hands off Colbert.

Got it? Get it? Good.

Oh, even lesbians like me want to do George! He's "dreamy!" And the fact that Rosemary Clooney is his aunt doesn't hurt, either! And I liked his dad when he briefly did SoCal news several years ago.

Rosie . . .Rosie . . .Rosie . . .please, I ain't no fashionista dyke, nor am I some bulldyke gal, but really, there is a reason "The View" doesn't want you to cut your hair. It just doesn't look that good very short, and I don't care how much some fagista-fashionista in NY or LA talked you into it! You are very nice looking, so go back to a longer or medium-ish cut!

Colbert! Keep kickin' ass, dude!

Thanks everyone,

ucrsue

You just luurrrvve us - I feel so much better now. All those awkward issues are floating away like little pink butterflies now.

How patronising, and dismissive of the point. The issue isn't wether BS loves men, I don't doubt most do, but nor do I care.

A issue is the coverage of all things women, from the women's view point, usually with the man as oppressor in BS. The flipside the complete lack of any similar coverage for men in salon.

Another issue - the lack of regard for how insanely offensive the concept of BS is for a lot of men and women. Women's issues, all cheeky and pink. The whole concept that women's news is not mainstream.

Or how about this : BS is front and centre on salon - women's issues are more important than any other grouping, gender, ethnic or whatever. And now you're co-opting gay issues, male and female.

I know that this and the other posting on the problems of Male teachers are efforts to make it seem like BS is inclusive. Well you get an F, BS by its very nature cannot be inclusive.

In a lot of ways the salon editorial team has developed a quite bush like style with regard to criticism in their left wing middleclass way. Answer the questions not asked and sideline or dismiss the real issues. Bring up a bogus issue (We really do love men) give it a kiss and say its all better.

Hows the echo chamber up there in salon land ? I'm about the only dissenter left on the TT "Tell our editor how we're doing!" thread, all the others have left or given up, so I guess "Mission Accomplished!"

Salon's actually doing a pretty good job of covering men's issues lately. Look at the top stories on the front page. We've got stories about James Carroll, Terrence Boyle and Stephen Colbert. All men! Not only that, the stories are written from a man's perspective -- all five by-lines are male. Someday you boys might even get your own blog.

Ah - the old "everywhere is the men room" fallacy.

We've got stories about James Carroll, Terrence Boyle and Stephen Colbert. All men

They're people issues - unless you think women are not interested in politics etc.

Its a pretty easy distinction to recognise.

For heaven's sakes. The reason there are things like Broadsheet is because coverage of issues important to women are often shortchanged in the mainstream media-- even in the "left-leaning" media.

Your "why do we need a women's page" (my characterization) comments remind me of those made by people who wonder why we have things like the NAACP and BET for blacks and not for whites. Here's the deal: Our society is by and large run by white males. This is not to say at all that these men are all or mostly racist and sexist. Rather it's to say that it stands to reason that people often overlook issues that don't immediately reflect their own world experiences. Hence, when those who decide what we get to read about or see in the media make decisions, it is often the case that issues about women or minorities may often be overlooked in the detail that is necessary to those groups.

No, Blackpaw, news that is important for women is not treated as "mainstream" in the world we live in. As such, things like Broadsheet are created to address those issues and needs and to serve a community that feels that it is not being served properly or that it's voice isn't being heard.

For heaven's sakes. The reason there are things like Broadsheet is because coverage of issues important to women are often shortchanged in the mainstream media-- even in the "left-leaning" media.

Yup you're so right - BS covers those article the meida doesn't. It couragously links to the the articles the media prints that other media thingy's won't link to.

Bollocks of course - BS only relinks what other media has already covered, so its hardly breaking womens news into the mainstream.

And this is *Salon*, the editors have complete control of it - if they were serious about covering womens news (the old salon did it pretty effectively) then they could do it on the masthead. Instead it goes into the pink ghetto.

All they've done is create a division between women and men and in the process sideline men.

You know the system screws most men pretty effectively too - they're stuffedinto roles they have little choice in. Class differences count for far more than any other division. Who do you think has more choices - Salon writers like Aylet Waldmen or the average shmoe ?

"Yup you're so right - BS covers those article the meida doesn't. It couragously links to the the articles the media prints that other media thingy's won't link to.

Bollocks of course - BS only relinks what other media has already covered, so its hardly breaking womens news into the mainstream.

And this is *Salon*, the editors have complete control of it - if they were serious about covering womens news (the old salon did it pretty effectively) then they could do it on the masthead. Instead it goes into the pink ghetto.

All they've done is create a division between women and men and in the process sideline men.

You know the system screws most men pretty effectively too - they're stuffedinto roles they have little choice in. Class differences count for far more than any other division. Who do you think has more choices - Salon writers like Aylet Waldmen or the average shmoe ?"

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First off, Broadsheet not only "relinks," but comments on those stories. By culling these stories, Broadsheet serves to highlight them.

Second, as for a "pink ghetto," I would imagine that Broadsheet is meant to add something in addition to what Salon offers and target a group of Salon readers who appreciate it.

Third, Broadsheet hasn't "created" any divisions between women and men. Broadsheet only highlights those gender divisions that already exist in the media and that need to be addressed.

Fourth, yes, the system adversely affects *some* men. This, however, in no way negates the vast negative effect "the system" has on *most* women.

Fifth, please don't use "class" as a smokescreen. The world is a little more complicated than that. Yes, class is important, but the "upper class" women you allude to exist within their own "gilded" confines as well and face a different set of restrictions and impediments than others whom the system affects. The fact that class is a problem in no way means that gender isn't or that it trumps it.