Letters to the Editor
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Most Liberal Women's Solutions: DO AS WE SAY
OR ELSE.
I hate that I cannot make myself a baby and have to rely on the good will of man hating freaks.
you would think the so called FAIRER SEX actually tried to be fair for once to men.
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WOMEN DISGUST ME LATELY
<<After reading all the comments to all three of these articles, the idea of having sex disgusts me. I don't mean to sound flip, but I don't think I'll be able to look at women the same way again. It's okay, though, I'm just a wombless man and inherently evil and all that, so no big loss.>>
yeah, that is why despite my being raised in a heavily feminist environment, I made the decision to treat all women like utter crap and urge all men to do the same.
use em and dump em. if we men cannot be given some rights and trusted, then no woman deserves to be treated well in return.
even so, it is still not an even playing field, we men forever lose, but at least we can burn all the oil wells as we retreat.
and I can gain and keep some measure of SELF RESPECT instead of feeling like a slave.
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CW IS RIGHT
<<And as to the phraise, "thinking with your dick", I think we should all refer to women who reach age 30 and contract baby fever as , "thinking with their wombs." as in, : Hey john, my wife shirly just wont start talking about wanting a kid.", "ehhh, just tell her to get over it, and stop thinking with her womb for once.">>
CW is so correct,
I refer to women who DELIBERATELY choose the baddest, most irresponsible men as thinking with their cunts.
but women can get away with it, men CAN'T
how is this fair? liberal women disgust me with their incessant narcissism and utter and complete lack of compassion for men.
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What a bunch of losers
I like Mr. Fuckoff who says he's disgusted with women and will avoid them. Women do get a break now and then.
Are you all taking some drug or something which causes you to be devoid of a sense of humor? What a joyless bunch you are: no joy in sex, no joy in relationships, no joy in kids, just the joy of blaming the other sex for your miserable rotten lives.
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GOOD RIDDANCE TO FEMINISM
<<It's frightening how much in line with anti-sex conservatives so many women on this board are. Feminism here seems not to be about equality, or people (both men and women) having choices over their lives and bodies, but about power (for women), vindictiveness (there's plenty of that coming through here), and the feeling that men are somehow less worthy of having options in their lives than women are. I have to say, this board has opened my eyes quite a bit. A liberal, who has always been pro-choice, I'm now honestly reconsidering that position. If this is really what's going on in womens' minds, I think men need to really reconsider their relationship to feminism.>>
This is why most men and many women will ultimately ABANDON feminism, ultimately FEMINISM is as hateful as FASCISM, it is about trapping and punishing men for being men and for wanting to be treated equally too.
I no longer believe or trust most women because I see so many irrsponsible hateful women everywhere, on these boards, ampong my colleagues, in the media. it is a downward spiral with men and women hating each other ever more. ultimately it is futile and ANTI MALE.
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Fascist Hattie Has All the Answers
and you men BETTER LISTEN TO HER.
<<Are you all taking some drug or something which causes you to be devoid of a sense of humor? What a joyless bunch you are: no joy in sex, no joy in relationships, no joy in kids, just the joy of blaming the other sex for your miserable rotten lives.>>
Fascist Hattie can take pleasure knowing she holds ALL the cards in life because she was born with the womb.
Fuck Women, I am beginning to really resent my sex and being stuck as a virtual SLAVE
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Shouldn't There Be a Rule...
...against a SINGLE troll poster adopting MULTIPLE pseudonyms and TRYING to make it seem as though he is MANY different men, but nonetheless giving himself AWAY through his FREQUENT toggling of the CAPS LOCK?
Just WONDERING.
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I am not a troll, I believe in what I post
...and I am OUTRAGED at how callous and heartless the women are on this board. I no longer want to be good to women at all unless it is to trick them into sex. fuck em all
<<...against a SINGLE troll poster adopting MULTIPLE pseudonyms >>
Talk about NO sense of humor...
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Progress?
Ummm... weird caps troll guy aside, do the contents of this whole discussion freak anybody else out? It seems like we launched into a full-blown battle of the sexes, and it got real personal real fast. Particular topic aside, it makes me wonder how far we've really come.
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Regress
I trust nearly NOTHING most women tell me anymore. Everything most women say is designed to benefit THEM and them only, often at the guy's expense.
the women are the true PATRIARCHAL EMPIRE, accept the hatred and distrust by men.
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This thread is sickening
One of the things that is absolutely appalling about this blog is the amount of pure, unadulterated hatred of men that has come spilling out of this discussion. The name-calling, the open disgust, the contempt and the mindless, childish rage that poster after poster has displayed here is sickening. Here are just a few examples of this:
"But it is a sorry reminder of one of the reasons I have had a hard time trusting a lot of men. This isn't about equal rights. It's about someone, men, wanting to have their cake and eat it too."
"Does a guy have to "go all the way" (with no condom!) two seconds after meeting someone or forfeit his "manhood" all to hell?"
"Men do have a choice. It's called a bus."
"What is so sad and reprehensible about this whole argument is the all-too-apparent willingness on the part of so many men to screw over a little kid - their little kid - out of spite over not being able to dictate whether or not their girlfriend should remain pregnant."
"Here's a choice, moron.
If you don't want your partner to become pregnant, Mr. Manjoo, I suggest that you and your male cohorts exercise the one choice you do have -- wear a condom! Or get a vasectomy, if you never want children. Men have plenty of options to prevent unwanted pregnancies. You're just are too lazy to exercise them."
"I like Mr. Fuckoff who says he's disgusted with women and will avoid them. Women do get a break now and then.
Are you all taking some drug or something which causes you to be devoid of a sense of humor? What a joyless bunch you are: no joy in sex, no joy in relationships, no joy in kids, just the joy of blaming the other sex for your miserable rotten lives."
I mean, we're discussing what may be the most important issue of our lives. These posts are just pure hatred. Why doesn't anyone call the posters on it, ever? Why doesn't some woman say "look, you're not helping, grow up or shut up?" The most vicious, prejudiced, destructive stuff just gets a pass, as if everyone just nodding their heads and thinking "Gee, Rachel sure is angry, but hey, there are lots of ways to express yourself, and they're all fine." No, they're not. Where is all this hatred coming from, and why doesn't someone of the feminine gender try to raise the level of dicsourse, and perhaps point out that mindless hatred is not a good thing?
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a response to cardshark
A few points of rebuttal:
1. Aside from abstinence and sterilization, no form of birth control is 100 percent effective. Even Mother Nature has her quirks, hence the number of older women who though they were past their childbearing years but who have "menopause babies."
2. Anyone who engages in sex should understand No. 1, as well as the other risks of pregnancy (like STDs).
3. I never argued that men, and men alone, try to evade their responsibility for pregancy. It's harder for a woman to do so, because her responsibility grows inside her body. But there are plenty of cavalier abortions (I'm not talking about the sad, medically necessary cases but those performed simply for "convenience"), babies dropped into Dumpsters and other cases of child abuse and infanticide.
4. Once a baby comes into the picture, both mother and father have to be grownups. Baby becomes priority No. 1 for all but the most self-absorbed. The time for juvenile games of "She/he tricked me!" is over at that point.
5. Babies and children deserve to be loved and supported by their parents. The parents' relationship or possible bitterness toward each other has no relevance to the children's rights.
The posts here have been an interesting mix. Some are, in my opinion, spot on. Others -- from both men and women -- seem to be rantings of overgrown adolescents. Well, scratch that: I know some teenagers, male and female, who are a lot more mature and admirable than those "adults" who would abort or abandon a helpless baby simply because the baby didn't fit into their life plans.
For me, an unplanned pregancy a few years ago forced drastic changes. Mainly, things stopped being all about me. It was the hardest, best and most important thing that ever happened in my life.
Sincerely, A devoted father of two.