I agree with the characterization of this exchange from Keith Olberamann's show last night. They were saying that this is a fight that Clinton obviously picked, and that the White House took the bait, as her quick "Obviously I struck a nerve" reply showed. She is driving this thing right now--not them--and I like that. It's smart on her part, I think. I'll count myself as one who didn't have a favorable view of her, given her politics, but I'm coning around. Whether I like her politics or not though, her high unfavorable marks have never bothered me. Bush and Rove were able to turn negative polls into a strength long enough to get elected, why can't she?

If this turns into Guiliani vs. Clinton, I like that fight. The senator from New York vs. the former Mayor of New York. A mayor, fer chrissakes! Who are they gonna trot out instead, the former senior-class president?

Yeah, but that whole "Contract with America" thing was pre-9/11. That changed everything, remember? So anything they said prior to 9/11 doesn't count, and they don't have to be responsible for any of it now. Of course, everyone else still has to abide by the rules of personal accountability that we all know and love. See how it all works?

Bravo.

I respectfully disagree with you. Hillary is not half as hated by the other side as Bush was in 2004. Maybe I'm underestimating, but a person can only hate someone intensely for so long. It gets old after a while. And the Republican slime machine has been milking the Clinton hate machine for what seems like eons now. Limbaugh's base will always hate her, but that's not everyone. And none of them would vote for a Democrat in a million years anyway. I really think people in general are sick of it.

Hell, I've even calmed way, way down on my Bush ire from where I was in '04. Now it's just his zombie-like supporters who hold what's left of my contempt. I've made my peace with Bush, and I think to some degree a lot of people have with Hillary as well. It's a waste of energy to focus rage on one person for such a long time.

The only thing that worries me about her chances if she gets the nomination, which I'm beginning to think she will, is the glaring reality that she lacks her husband's charisma. But I think she's equally as smart as him and can navigate an election mine field just as well as he can, and better than any candidate on either side.

Of course, everything I've just typed would be dismissed by Chris Matthews as "psychobabble." May be. But I think there's a good chance I'm right.

I have to call you on the fact that you have quoted shooter from another thread, totally off-topic, for no reason whatsoever. It's bad enough that he totally hijacked yet another thread earlier, but now you have left the door open for him to do it again. His bullshit is so old and so tired; his pathological narcissism really knows no end. No matter how many times he's caught in a lie or a contradiction, he just comes back for more the very next day like it never happened. He's already like internet flypaper, don't make it any worse than it already is. Please stop feeding his masochistic need for persecution and attention. Just let him drop one of his psychotic rants and leave it at that.

Just keeeeeep talking. As far as I'm concerned, the hole you are currently digging can't get deep enough. So just keep talking (and digging).

It doesn't really matter if we know who this person is or not. All he's basically doing is voicing the opinion of every (honest) Bush supporter left. The only thing different about "anonymous" is that he actually has the nads to voice that opinion. It would be crazy to support this war unless you held his opinions, really. I'm sure Bush feels exactly the same way as he does, but understands that it would be political suicide to come out and say it. So I don't see what's going to be accomplished by silencing that voice. Let it out there, let it be heard and let people be offended. Let people see and understand exactly how all these hypocrites with their silly "Support Our Troops" car-magnets really feel.

save for one correction. Strike the word honest.

Nice try. At no point did I ever say that you are a Bush supporter. You drew that conclusion yourself. I only said that you are voicing an opinion shared by what's left of his supporters. I did not condemn you or the troops, either. You did that all by yourself.

just how much we need for Civics/Government classes to be compulsory in high schools and colleges acress this great land of ours. Too few people understand what happened in this case, and why it's such a travesty.

Wait just a second...

Huh? ...

Oh... okay...

Hey, someone just told me that Civis/Government classes ARE compulsory in this country. Wow, you'd never know, would you? You'd think more than a few thousand people would give a shit. Amazing. And sickening.

Looks like a long, three-day weekend of troll-feeding ahead. They will be fat and happy, drunk with the attention they desperately crave come Monday morning. Cheers.

I wouldn't exactly call it troll feeding; more like toying with trolls.

What's the difference? They're getting attention either way. That's why they come here. I'm not judging; we've all done it. I'd just like to see A LOT less of it is all.