For years Israel's public relations soldiers have publically flogged anyone who has criticized Israel's policies as anti-Semites while simultaneously claiming that their criticism is moot since nobody will actually do anything to stop Israel (even though that begs the question why someone like Satanic_Jew would even bother to come to Salon to post). Well people are tired of it and don't care any more. Go ahead and call whomever you like anti-Semitic, that word has been rendered almost meaningless by its constant misuse.

Personally I used to be pro-Israel, but I have become weary of the lengths to which Israel goes in fighting their enemies. And that combined with all of the abuse I have received for my concern about universal human rights has made me stop caring. Now I think either Israel should become a single nation-state for both Israelis and Palestinians or bugger it all. Go ahead and push it into the sea for all I care. The Zionist movement has done what it takes to establish a nation-state in a hostile land, and continues to do what it takes to stay. And suffering terrorism is part of that, as is spreading their own terror. In the case of Israel/Palestine I have come to see that terrorism is just war by other means, so there is no reason to support Israel over their enemies.

So go choke on the sacred land, keep spreading destruction and death, hoping that massacring one more family will bring Israel permanent peace, until you are overwhelmed by demographics. In the end everybody will be alienated and nobody will care, and stupid assholes like Satanic_Jew will be left whining about how the whole world is anti-Semitic in one big self-fulfilling prophecy.

"...secular, egalitarian social democracy. Perhaps if they could point to one nation with a Muslim majority that successfully functioned that way..."

What, are Muslims too sub-human and therefore incapable? There is a country named Turkey, doesn't sound like you've heard of it. Go look it up.

"If there's a third option or a fourth option available to Israel, would someone please tell me what it is?"

I guess not. They may as well just exterminate all Palestinians plus any other Arabs that try to get in the way. Then they will have peace, right?

"this is not about anti-Israeli sentiments, it is about the monstrosity of war, of innocents being slaughtered."

That did it, it's obvious you hate Jews and want a Jew-free world. Just ask Xanthro or any of his pals and they will tell you.

I am not convinced that this will change short of a revolution of some kind, possibly with the use of violence. I see no reason why talking alone will turn our country back to a nation of laws. If a Democratic Congress and a Democratic Administration will not turn this country away from these abuses then what other recourse is there but to incite something more drastic?

We can talk about it all we want, but all we will accomplish is witnessing this corrupted system get passed down to our children. The corrosion must be stopped, we cannot just sit on our hands.

I am completely skeptical that Congress will pass State Secrets legislation, or if they do it will not have significant loopholes written into it. I do not think the political will exists in Washington to move against the twisting of our republic into a state of two-tiered justice and a country of men.

Talk is just talk and we need more than that.

Talk is going nowhere, Yoo and all the rest will never have their day in court. People are getting tired of the circular game of recriminations and counter accusations, it goes nowhere and never will. If brute force is all they understand then it is time they are spoken to in their own language. They need to be taken down a peg, and not just for revenge but for the good of the future of our country.

Pfffft. You are just pissing into the wind. There is a very vocal minority that will never hear of it. You can say "Jeez, maybe Israel should not have bombed so indiscriminately. I do actually find the death of so many innocent children quite alarming. Say, speaking of breaking UN resolutions, maybe Israel shouldn't keep building settlements in occupied territory."

But all they hear is "Terrorists are right to kill Jews. Israel should be pushed into the sea. All Jews should be killed. Jews must rule the world and therefore should be wiped out." There is no getting through to them.

Not extra judicial killings. You should know more than most that what you say isn't how we treat terrorists. We should have these anti-choicers kidnapped off the streets and whisked off to an undisclosed location where they will be treated with so humanely and put in such comfortable lodgings that they will confess to just about whatever we want. Then we can get all the information we'll need to head off the next terrorist attack.

Yeah! If you think the Afghans could be Soviets then you should just shut up!

Also, if you think army ants could beat an elephant then you stand on your head!

And if you think Shirley Temple could beat Al Capone then you should never wear pants to work!

This is all important stuff people! Don't criticize David Brooks.

Wah-wah-wah-wah boo-hoo-hoo. Everyone pay attention to Zorkna's hissy fit. Zorkna will hold his/her breath until everyone admits that killing those browns in Iran is the greatest idea.

A handful of right wing nut jobs attempting a bloodless military coup? I hate to say it, but I think would lead to a very good outcome. Of course it would fail, there would be nowhere near enough support for such a thing. And it would most likely destroy the conservative movement entirely. Now that is something I can get behind!