"Why all the fuss?"

I think the apologists for late term abortions are full of shit. They want abortion on demand, regardless of any medical reasons. It is obvious that late term abortion has been used as a form of birthcontrol. Yet, doctrinaire ideologues try to sell the idea that every late term abortion is a result of some medical emergency. It's a lie.

They know it is a lie. But they have to propoganize it, because in the end, it really does come down to "choice," not necessity. When advocate for the choice to torcher a recognizable human being in the late states of pregnancy, and killing it without the curtesy of even applying anethetic to mitigate the agony of the baby's final moments, then you're opinion has no standing with me.

People who would protest testing on animals, and by free range chickens, and don't buy cosmetics tested on animals, but are okie dokie with later term abortions are the biggest kind of hypocrits.

I would wager that everybody on this board knows full well that there are late term abortions (and would be partial birth abortions if it were not illegal) that take place for no other reason than to end the pregnancy. The legally required justification is just conjured up by people like Tiller.

A wink and a nod. Revolting.

You are more than welcome to read through my posts on this subject. I think the main sticking point with me is that I don't think it is alright to make another living thing suffer, and that fetuses who have developed to the point of being recognizable as human beings outside the womb should not be destroyed without reasonable cause. Many of the people who have posted the most inflamatory things about me don't believe that. For instance, when I posited that if a fetus has to be aborted late term, and that the fetus is cable of feeling agony during the process, that anesthetic should be used to mitigate that agony. People on this board refused to agree with that.

I have stated the following, which basically contradicts your rendition of what I believe:

Wednesday, June 3, 2009 11:15 PM

"…nor am I defending those that argue that all abortion is murder. I am not anti-sex, as anyone that has read my other posts certainly know, or those that have ventured onto my blog. I believe contraception should be widely available.

What I do argue is that late term abortion is murder if there is no medical reason for the procedure, the "fetus" is recognizable as a human being outside of the womb, and has developed to the point that the termination of life is agonizing for the fetus.

If it is a clump of cells, hey, go ahead and do it. I don't like it personally, but I see no legitimate public policy reason to stop it. I see plenty of reasons to prevent healthy women aborting healthy fetuses at a very late state for the reasons…"

Monday, June 1, 2009 04:03 PM

"No compassionate person is going to agree that...yeah, it's okay to let the fetus go out in agony - despite the fact that we could have prevented it. The fact that the question is up for debate for you, puts the rest of your comments in context for me. It’s one thing to say abortion a terrible necessity. It’s another to refuse to mitigate the "terrible" part of the process."

June 1, 2009 04:09 PM

"My suggestion is that late term abortion should only be available for situations that either have a bad prognosis for the fetus..i.e. he will die after birth and suffer. Or that the motherhave a colorable, legitimate health interest in the abortion, i.e. catastrophic potential if the child is brought to term, and only if the [abortion] will mitigate the potential harm. I don't think that, "depression" is a legitimate reason to indulge in a late term abortion of a perfectly health fetus.

Furthermore, I would require that the fetus not suffer from the procedure, be it from anesthetics, or otherwise. I would criminally prosecute any doctor that, in reckless disregard, inhumanely aborted a fetus."

That's my position. I'm sticking to it. Most American's are on my side. By the way, those of you that tried to attack me by saying that I am a tranny whore, porn star...blah blah blah...I am perfectly happy with who I am. I certainly don't hide who I am. The accusation that I have "lied" is baloney. Ad hominem will not intimidate me from what I believe.

If the following European Countries ban late term abortion at the indicated gestational times (indicated below). After such time periods, like in Sweden abortion is allowed only by permission of the National Board of Health and Welfare. His is having abortions at 28 weeks or after deemed to be reasonable? I mean, hell, Sweden stops them at 18 weeks.

12 weeks

Denmark

France

Norway

13 weeks

Italy

14 weeks

Austria

Belgium

Germany

18 weeks

Sweden

Yeah. You missed it. It is here:

http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/06/01/playboy_conservababes/

...there is something wrong with the speech. I guess I'll have to read it and write the whitehouse.

"...I did an academic competition that had it's state competitino at the biggest state university..."

That explains a lot.