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again, it is not the individual jokes...it is the persuasiveness of the material in her act. Maybe my statements have been unclear. But, I don't think so. The Jesus joke, in itself, is so outrageous that it, by itself, does not show racism. Her act, in toto, demonstrate racism. She is sympathetic, so what? I'm not the only one to make the argument...as demonstrated below:
“…I define hipster racism (I’m borrowing the phrase from Carmen Van Kerckhove) as ideas, speech, and action meant to denigrate another’s person race or ethnicity under the guise of being urbane, witty (meaning “ironic” nowadays), educated, liberal, and/or trendy…” - AJ Plaid
“..I've seen Sarah Silverman live a bunch of times and always found her very funny, though I never bought her line about telling the jokes ironically, or however she phrases it. Every time I've seen her, the audience has been overwhelmingly white…”
“Silverman has been booed off stage for ridiculing Martin Luther King. She has also been condemned by Guy Aoki, the head of an Asian watchdog group, for telling a gag that culminated in the word ‘chink’ on Late Night with Conan O'Brien. Silverman's response was to incorporate the episode into her stand-up. ‘[Aoki] put my name in all the papers calling me a racist and it hurt," she confessed. "As a member of the Jewish community, I was really concerned we were losing control of the media. What kind of a world do we live in where a totally cute white girl can't say 'chink' on network television?’“
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“Guess what, Martin Luther King? I have a fucking dream too."
“…Silverman has since turned the complaint into grist for her stand-up act, saying that the experience helped teach her the important lesson that racism is bad: ‘And I mean bad, like in that black way.’”
"I used to go out with a guy who was half black who totally broke up with me because I'm a fucking loser." A pause. "I just heard myself say that. I'm such a pessimist. He's half-white."
“…Sexually voracious and unashamed to the point of arrogance, [Sarah Silverman] compliments a black man she's dating by telling him that he would make ‘a really expensive slave.’”
"I don't care if you think I'm racist. I just want you to think I'm thin."
In re Jewish Grandmothers and Black Men: "Both love tracksuits, their car of choice is a Cadillac, they like bling and money and jewellery... and all their friends are dying."
“My skin is paper thin. People don’t realize it, because I’m sassy and I’m brassy, but I just— I see these CARE commercials with these little kids with the giant bellies and the flies, and these are one- and two-year-old babies, nine months pregnant, and it breaks my heart in two… “It breaks my heart in half. And I don’t give money, because”—out of the side of her mouth—“I don’t want them to spend it on drugs…”
I believe this woman is a racist. You don't. Fine. We are not going to see eye to eye about the issue.
"'Sarah Silverman and Ann Coulter share an obvious similarity: they each make a rather nice living saying things that would be unspeakable if they were not attractive Caucasian women, veiling their statements beneath a gossamer cloak of irony. I’m kind of tying my brain in knots trying to figure out whether they don’t actually share the exact same appeal for our culture.'"
http://snarkmarket.com/blog/snarkives/societyculture/pretty_ladies/
At curlymelloncamp...shove it up your ass. At dale, I don't do the "answer my question" bit, because it is a trap used in debates to try to put the focus on the person you find offensive, instead of the argument. Trying to keep me writing, in hopes that I contradict myself. I've stated what I believe. My comment regarding her racism is NOT in the individual jokes themselves, which should be painfully honest since I have REPEATEDLY stated that she bases her career on lampooning African-Americans. And as the quote states above, just because you put a veneer of irony on your material does not hide the fact of what she does.
There are plenty of people who use race in their material. The difference with Sarah Silverman, is that its not self-deprecating, nor does she expand her material to encompass "racial stereotypes." She concentrates on African-Americans with ugly stuff that she cannot wash clean from.
Much like the material in Southpark, that is often told form Kyle's vantage point. Kyle is the sane, smart, counter weight to Cartman, the white trash fat kid with the whore single mother. It would be one thing to if Kyle was occassionally debased as the punchline, but usually it's Cartman, Token, or Butters. Kyle is often victimized by anti-semites, and therefore, represents the noble martyer.
Do you believe that Sarah Silverman's material regarding Jesus or religion does not reflect a contempt for both? The reason you probably don't mind that material is because you agree with it. But, it would wreck your progressive self-identification if someone, i.e. Silverman, with whom you so easily identify turns out to be something you are supposed to abhore. So you come out with a, "She's just kidding" excuse for her stuff.
If a WASP comedian based his material primarily on Jewish stereotypes, no one would stand for it. On the other hand, Jerry Seinfeld can do it, because it is self deprecating. That's the way it works. Whether you like it or not.
that a person that bases her entire career on racist material not think she is a racist? Like novelists, people write themselves into their work. Comedians tell stories about themselves.
You like the pretty white girl, fine. She's a bigot. The company you keep and all.