I think you can read the last few posts and have your answer. Maxine Waters is a machine politician who would be right at home in Chicago. Add to that some outlandish conspiracy theories and you've got a person that no mainstream candidate wants to be seen with.

In the end I think this will be a wash because really, who cares about Maxine Waters, but it definitely does not help Sen. Clinton's attack on Obama that has been in cahoots with crooked types in Chicago.

All in all it just looks like a cynical move by a scared campaign who will do anything to get elected.

At this point I am wondering if Al Sharpton might be the next call on the Clinton phone tree.

Not sure if you are decrying this or not. But, doesn't the serious existence of this term kind of validate Obama's electability credentials?

There is no such thing as Clinton Republicans or Clinton Independents (not for Hillary at least) and I am fairly certain that there never will be.

Are you really saying that the Republicans would not want to face Hillary in the general? Are you kidding? I cannot think of anything they would relish more.

In an election where their base isn't really in love with any of their candidates, what do you think having Hillary on the ticket would do for their fund raising and turnout.

Christ the yahoo's are already printing freakin' t-shirts and it's not even Feb 5th yet.

Haven't you been watching the debates? Whenever Romney wants to score points he always mentions "Hillary Care." Republicans hate her and will turn out in droves just to vote against her.

Or let me put this in terms that everyone in here can understand:

Remember when a certain dumb president gave a certain scum bag terrorist exactly the fight he wanted by invading the middle east and thereby inspiring a bunch of religious fanatics?

These people aren't afraid of Hillary. GOP leaders need Hillary just like they need their stoopid 'War on Christmas'. Just like they need their stoopid 'War on the sanctity of marriage.' Just like in 2004 with gay marriage the GOP needs someone or something to demonize so they can make their members look past their own incompetence and give them something to vote against.

I just hope the democrats aren't dumb enough to give it to them (again)

Look at you , you sweet talker! I hope all these half-wits step in line for you when the national election comes around. But then, how could they not with the sales job that you are doing. Nice.

By the way, I am going to assume you are an "old time, real, true democrat. The likes of which we have to thank for:

8 years of Nixon / Ford

8 years of Reagan

4 Years of Bush

and 8 years of Bush II (cause really, the first one was so good)

Yeah, you old time democrats have done a real bang up job. How dare these young upstarts come along and try to tell you who to nominate! Just take Hillary and when we are done, her, Mondale Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry can all sit around in a cafe in St. Paul, Minnesota (the one state that Mondale won) and drink lattes and listen to NPR.

The rest of us will be getting ready for the draft.

Yes, this was sneak y and kind of unpleasant by Obama. No doubt about it. Relying on fear to win elections is for the GOP not the democrats. (Hmm perhaps that's why we keep losing elections, but that is another discussion)

What I'd like to point out, before th Clinton supporters go nuts on this, is that isn't this exactly the kind of thing that the Clinton people keep saying the GOP will do in the general. And haven't they been complaining that Obama should just get tough and handle it?

So which is it? Is there no place for this kind of hardball in democratic politics and Obama should apologize? Or is this the kind of stuff that the GOP will through at the democratic nominee will have to face and if she can't handle it now then how is she supposed to handle it in the general?

Just asking. You know, before everyone starts their "outraged" letters to Salon.

I was actually surprised how many letters reflected my same sentiments. Every election you hear the youth vote proclaiming "this is it. this is our year!"

In fact Eminem made a pretty cool video in 2004 basically making the same point. And what happened?

Once again, old people voted, evangelical nut, and gun nuts voted. And once again, the country shoots itself in the foot because its most important constituents - young children go under represented.

So, yeah I pretty much take the whole youth vote with an enormous grain of salt. I am just hoping that this year, finally, we get away from the 'gimme gimme gimme' brand of politics and start fixing the things that are shamefully wrong in this country.

Which, by the way, is not making it so old folks can live forever with healthy erections or a return to sub-$2 gasoline. It's children living in poverty and suffering abuse.