Joan you just managed to be sexist to both genders! think about it:

1. This is clearly insulting to all men. Yes, we are the only ones stupid enough to see that not admitting mistakes is a plus not a minus. This is why people like John Edwards have apologized for his vote a long time ago and it's why no women voted for GW2 in 2004.

2. It's even insulting to Hillary as woman. So she needed to be convinced eh? Wow, amazing that she was persuaded like this. Must not know her own mind and must need a man to tell her what to say.

Of course Joan ,you do manage to get a bank shot about 'Obamatons' in there but by his point I don't even bother noticing that insult. Although another poster did have a good question in that what is the name for older women who knee-jerk support Hillary and pretty much fall in line behind her without question. I like the name Hill-bots but that's just me.

That's just it! Maybe just maybe he didn't apologize because it was going to get him something. Maybe he apologized because IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

This is exactly the type of thinking that turns people off about Hillary. Hmmm what will an apology 'get me?'

Hey there's always the hope that Hillary's riveting "I dodged sniper fire with Sinbad and Sheryl Crow" might just take hold of the nation.

Sorry but at this point I could see Hillary taking her own sniper rifle to Obama to get the nomination and people like you making excuses for her doing it

They are doing their jobs. Unfortunately for them, Obama then went ahead and made the most thoughtful, searing and beautiful speeches on race in America since in at least 40 years if not ever.

I am not saying that the Wright thing didn't hurt Obama enormously. But, it did show how he could take a hit and come back with integrity, honesty and make his case to the American public. And isn't that what the Hillary campaign has been saying all along that he couldn't do?

I think the argument I would make (as an Obama supporter) to the supers is this:

"After watching that speech, it seems like the democratic party and its candidate just might be able to become something really special, something we haven't seen for a long time. Whether you like Obama or believe him or not, he inspires people and asks us (more than any politician has in a long time) to become something better than we are.

do you really want to give up that opportunity so that we can maybe get an administration that reflects the current thin congressional majority we have - a group that really hasn't made life much better for anyone and which can sometimes be referred to as republican lite?

I sure don't.

Yes, it will take some guts to make Obama the nominee. Just like it takes guts to talk about race in a way that's real. Just like it takes guts to talk to people in a way that doesn't pander through sound bites and us vs. them rhetoric.

But, if this party is to stand for something then let's make Obama the nominee and this time really make America be America again.

Yes, you are right. I guess I should have said, "do you want to be republican lite or do you want to be something better?"

And for those in Congress, I guess I would have said, "Please go and ask Bill Foster what having Obama stump for you and what having his volunteers work for you can do in a race."

Ultimately, that's probably what's going to sway the supers more than anything.

That would be dumb. As would be not pointing this out to the supers. However, the Clinton campaign is smart enough (amazingly) to realize that being too ham fisted could turn off the black vote that they would presumably need to win in November.

We do all remember that right? Without a strong energetic black turnout Hillary has about as much chance of being president as Rev. Wright does.

All in all, this is fair game.

Its pretty obvious that this a pretty much nothing-to-lose attempt now to throw enough mud and hope that it sticks. I am not comfortable with either candidate proclaiming that the other is a non-viable general election candidate but it seems that this is the argument that they think will resonate with the supers.

This type of nasty back and forth doesn't help anyone but John McCain.

Did you get Mark Penn to write that for you? Why don't you just call him a Muslim who was educated in a madrassa and get it over with.

By the way, I am not sure how democratic it is to keep trying to count a primary where one guy wasn't even on the ballot.

And as far overturning the will of the people, isn't that pretty much the only chance that Hillary has right now? I mean since she is behind in delegates, the popular vote, and states won and very very likely will remain so.

On the other hand, 'let's keep voting till I win' sounds like a very democratic plan.

I believe the Soviets won the gold medal in Olympic basketball in 1972 following the exact same strategy.