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Thursday, February 28, 2008 09:48 PM
Original article: Hillary at twilight

The numbers

The media that hates Hillary so much won't tell anyone this but barring some kind of complete grand theft of the nomination or Obama getting caught with a hooker, the math is just not there for Hillary.

To be viable she would have to win Ohio, Pennsylvania and texas all by 20 points or more. Then she would have get Florida and Michigan seated (and even if she did get MI seated she still only got half the votes) AND she would have to convince the super delegates to give her the nomination.

Or let me put it this way, if Hillary Clinton won every state from here on out by 100% she still wouldn't have the number of pledged delegates she would need to win.

All those people living in all those states that supposedly don't matter? Well, Hillary, they do and so do their votes. And every time the Clinton campaign tells those people that their votes don't count and they have just been the victims of some kind of cult movement, they drive a little deeper wedge into the democratic party.

An attempt to somehow get the nomination by unconventional means after March 5th (assuming she doesn't win all of the March 4th states by 20% or more) would be the final straw.

And if the democrats let her do it they would kill the party for the next 20 years.

Friday, February 29, 2008 09:16 AM

At last it comes out

Hillary Clinton is a republican. This is fear mongering at its best. Rudy, Karl, George and Dick must be nodding in approval somewhere (probably somewhere nice)

Thursday, March 13, 2008 07:28 PM

Good lord people!

Look here are two facts:

1. The Clinton campaign made this about identity politics the moment they started spinning their losses by attributing Obama's wins to race. First it was because he was black, then it was because he was fooling everyone, then it was because he only appealed to rich latte-drinking yuppies who wanted a hip black friend, and now it's because he could only win the small states. If they had ever done what Maggie Williams FINALLY did after Mississippi and just said, "Hey Sen. Obama is a qualified opponent running a good race and we congratulate him but we think we are better and we think we are going to win." Then maybe this never would have gotten so bad and just maybe the dems wouldn't be looking at the same old situation of blue collar (read: poor) whites vs blacks - a scenario that always ends up benefiting the old white guy and his rich friends and it will this time too.

2. Ok, but as long as we are in the identity politics game. Let's look at the "historic candidacies." Um, I am not sure if anyone has told anybody this but it is a hell of a lot easier being a rich white woman in America than it is to be black. Hell, I am a white guy and I would have no problem being a rich white woman. Bring it one. But I would surely balk at being in the one segment of our society in which 30% of that segment has been incarcerated and the most likely cause of death is homicide.

Has anyone noticed that neither Barack Obama or any of his campaign staff has ever just said, "look, Hillary Clinton is a rich old white woman who is where she is today because she married the president of the United States."

Cause basically, that's what Geraldine "the hypocrite" Ferraro basically just said.

Its insulting. It's not true. And, its just another excuse from a campaign that has been getting its ass kicked from "Day One"

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 11:17 AM
Original article: Obama's speech on race

Wow

I have never ever seen a politician speak the truth like this. Not sure if this will help him or destroy him but . . .wow. God I hope we get to have a president with this kind of integrity.

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 11:47 AM
Original article: Obama's speech on race

@bmaggie - We all have that grandmother- that's the point

I guess we are so used to getting lied to that its just shocking when someone actually stands up and says, 'yes, my family have said cringe-worthy racial stuff.'

And you know what? So has mine. And I would guess that so has yours. And probably so has everyone else's on this board.

That's the point. This speech was a big fat risky dose of reality that Obama just gave to everyone. American may turnaround and crush him for it because we don't want to hear it but I defy anyone to say that it wasn't every word of truth.

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 04:39 PM
Original article: Was Obama's speech enough?

Here's an idea - maybe he was sincere

Maybe he didn't disavow Wright because he's actually got some integrity and thought it would be dishonest to throw the pastor under the bus after 20 years.

No, no Joan, you're right. He was just trying to cover his political bases.

It's sad that this what all political thought has come to in this country. I guess you could call it the spinnization of politics or whatever but it has definitely led us to a place where we can't even recognize guts and integrity when it's staring us in the face.

Yes Wright has some reprehensible ideas and bitterness but frnakly if I were in a group of society (which I am not) in which; 30 percent of my sons were incarcerated, in which my own government had used some of those sons for medical experimentation, in which I had been told where I could and couldn't live, work, marry or even eat, well, I'd be kind of bitter too.

Let Wright be responsible for Wright's words and let Obama be responsible for his own.

Whatever happens between Hillary, Obama, or McCain, I have never been prouder to support a political candidate than I am today.

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 05:02 PM
Original article: Was Obama's speech enough?

agreed, this has nothing to do with Hillary

Not that she would have had the guts to do this in a thousand years but it doesn't matter. . .

A well-crafted story????? Um, do you really think this Wright thing was a set up? Seems to me that Obama would have rather this never came out. Talk about conspiracy theories!

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