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Tuesday, February 19, 2008 08:59 AM

Don't expect the HRC true believers to accept this but . . .

This is a very very bad idea for the Hillary camp to start in with this. I fully expected Hillary to entertain the idea of a scorched earth strategy but this is just crazy.

Seriously, the Clinton campaign and it's supporters can lawyer this all they want but the people did not vote for delegates, they voted for a nominee and an attempt to subvert that would be disatrous for her and for the party.

Um, she does know that this is just for the nomination right? I mean even if she manages to win the nomination this way, it pretty much guarantees she'll lose the general.

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 09:02 AM

Ok, much ado about nothing

I guess Salon needed something ot drum up some traffic today. Cause if you follow the jump you will see that the Clinton camp responded to the story . . .

"We have not, are not and will not pursue the pledged delegates of Barack Obama."

See, even they know this would be suicide.

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 09:22 AM

For the record (and for W.E.S)

I am supporting Sen. Obama to the point that I have voted for him and have donated to his campaign. However, I would be adamantly against his campaign if they tried to pull something like this. I would not equivocate and say "well, that is the system, or all bets are off" i would say it was wrong and I would let the campaign know in no uncertain terms how I felt.

The problem with a "win at all costs" strategy for the nomination is that it is JUST FOR THE NOMINATION. There are already a lot of democrats who have been turned off by the contentiousness of this race and this would be catastrophic.

Remember, there are going ot be multiple options in the general besides voting for John McCain. One option is to not vote at all and that is exactly what would happen if either campaign tried this.

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 09:24 AM

@ Xrandadu Hutman

I might put a third option for what is worse - that none of us Hillary supporters, Obama supporters or people who were neutral were at all surprised that the Clinton campaign would try this.

Hmm I wonder if the original staffer statement was a trial balloon? Well, I think they got their answer.

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 09:30 AM

@ mirandab - let's talk about Michigan

So with no one else on the ballot, Hillary still couldn't get 60% of the votes. Almost half the people turned out (in bad weather) to support "uncommitted" for crying out loud!

Now, the Clinton camp wants to use Michigan to get Hillary the nomination? Are you kidding me?

This is exactly the kind of Clinton "pee in your face and tell you that its raining" lawyering crap that so many people are tired of.

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 09:39 AM
Original article: The "plagiarism" problem

This is such a non-issue

Apparently we are now in the "let's throw it up there and see what will stick" phase of the campaign.

If the Clinton campaign really thinks this thing has legs than they are either desperate or incompetent or both

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 01:28 PM

good to hear but I got a bad feeling

believe it or not, after a couple of weeks of "he won't debate me" or "he is a plagiarizer," I am really afraid that tonight might end up going for Clinton in Wisconsin.

I have no evidence for this and I really hope that I am wrong but any victory (even by 1 point) here would be a huge boost for the Clinton campaign and would help her springboard toward march 4th.

perhaps I am just feeling down today but it just seems like, since neither candidate is going to get to the magic number and the since Clinton's will never give up no matter what, this thing is going to come down to the lawyers and it's gonna get ugly

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 02:13 PM
Original article: Quote of the day

Hey W.E.S

Hillary Clinton will never be President of the United States of America. John McCain maybe. Barack Obama maybe. But Hillary Clinton never. And all the negative ads, insider deals and lawyers in all the world can't change that fact.

I fully recognize that there will be a backlash against Obama. That's what we do in this country. We build people up just to crush them. Hell, even Obama himself has been trying to keep people from making him something he's not.

Yes, we are the change we have been for. Unfortunately, we are also the cause of what needs to be changed.

It is definitely easier to be a Hillary supporter. You get to blame everything on the vast right wing conspiracy and, when things don't go your way, you get to make up some kind of contrived argument in which you are never wrong.

Yes W.E.S, no one ever lost anything by making an appeal to cynicism (Hillary) or fear (every GOP candidate). But look where that has gotten us. Personally, I am so ready for something different. I might not get it but I'll be damned if I am gonna stop hoping.

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 04:05 PM

Um here's a real easy one

What time do the polls close in Wisconsin? I have been on Salon, CNN, MSNBC, and none of them have this seemingly simple information.

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 04:09 PM

8 pm central time

I had to freakin' google it. CNN, MSNBC, Salon, Slate and various blogs didn't have it anywhere. ABC news online had it buried in a story.

Seems like one of those things they might consider putting next to their empty tallies.

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:39 PM
Original article: How Obama won Wisconsin

Ok, that's just dumb

So all the non- hardcore democrats (i.e. everyone who didn't vote for Hillary) that voted in Wisconsin today just did it so that McCain could win the general.

Really? Do you really believe this?

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:59 PM
Original article: How Obama won Wisconsin

"Michelle Obama has an attitude"

This. This is your big political theory? Right. People are choosing Obama because they'd rather see him be president than Hillary. it's no great mystery.

And, seeing as how McCain's attacks on Obama are pretty much a mirror of what Hillary has been saying with no success, I think he is in pretty good shape.

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