Visit a VA hospital.

Or work in a soup kitchen or a homeless shelter, where there are disproportionate numbers of vets. In our local homeless shelter and soup kitchen, NOT ONE fundy church volunteers. They voted for Bush, they bought their stickers from China, but they're not there, at least in my town, to clean up the monstrous mess they made.

Sometimes, I wish there were a Hell, so that Bush-voters would go there, since they've placed so many in Hell on Earth.

Sure, some people whip out their PDAs for attention. I once saw a 70something couple in a public park rolling around in the grass, flashing their libidos in a swarm of kiddies.

And some people center their morality on not being gay.

I'd say it's hard to say if it weren't for those Kiss Cams, which celebrate straight PDAs.

...an ugly, ugly place.

It's, "I'll do to you as you do to me...times two."

If a guy drives a big car with 500 horses, that's not his power. That power comes from liquid carbon and the ingenuity of various engineers.

And the money that procured that power likely came from loans or lucky circumstances or his family.

I like guys who can do something other than buy a car and depress a gas pedal. That people base mating upon consumption is depressing. I'm drawn to production: a guy who can build a car or a house or raise corn. I like workers. That's more than ephermerally hot. It's hot to the grave.

...that women marry beta boys, aka "the nice guys"?

...are purchased by 50-something guys who drive with their driver's side window down so you'll see them.

"Ambitious" isn't always code for "wealthy." I like ambitious men. I want a man who's my peer in ambition, but I'm not rich. Ambition doesn't have to manifest in money.

That was a quickie, Mr. Kaufman!

I like both teams. On one side, I like Phil. On the other, I like Kevin.

I don't think the Lakers will win in 5. Maybe 6 or 7. Boston keeps surprising and I don't think they're done. And Kevin might self-combust, like the Ghost Rider.

Nice!

Whispers.

It's become popular to deride Kevin, but what does it matter if a point is scored in the final two minutes or the first two. A point's a point.

It "takes a lot" to get America to run amok?

Countries we've bombed since WWII:

China 1945-46

Korea 1950-53

China 1950-53

Guatemala 1954

Indonesia 1958

Cuba 1959-60

Guatemala 1960

Belgian Congo 1964

Guatemala 1964

Dominican Republic 1965-66

Peru 1965

Laos 1964-73

Vietnam 1961-73

Cambodia 1969-70

Guatemala 1967-69

Lebanon 1982-84

Grenada 1983-84

Libya 1986

El Salvador 1981-92

Nicaragua 1981-90

Libya 1986

Iran 1987-88

Libya 1989

Panama 1989-90

Iraq 1991-2002

Kuwait 1991

Somalia 1992-94

Croatia 1994 (of Serbs at Krajina)

Bosnia 1995

Iran 1998 (airliner)

Sudan 1998

Afghanistan 1998

Yugoslavia 1999

Afghanistan 2001-02

And Iraq, of course.

Simonetta, why aren't you over there, killing Arabs? Why not kill Arabs here?

You must worship Mars, the God of War.

And one man one woman marriage is protected in most places!

Oh, glorious, glorious Oceania!

"And it isn't for people who care more about their own needs than those of others."

Then polyamory is for no one, since no one cares more about the needs of others than their own needs.

You strike me as lucid, lovely lady. You've kept your cool under pressure. Well done.

We'll just have to disagree about people surpassing selfishness. All my life, people have called me an angel. Some thought I really, really was. Of course, I'm not. I'm just another self-centered rider. And everyone I've ever met is riding that same damn bus.

"I guess you also believe in miracles, and animals who can talk, and magic fairies and flying angels" if you believe your husband "is completely in love with" you.

Love waxes and wanes. There are moments when you husband doesn't even love you. Or like you. He might even hate you here and there. If you're not aware of his vicissitudes, it's because you won't give him voice.

Completely in love? Bah. And I suppose you'll live happily ever after, forever and forever.

Way back in this thread, I noted that posters pretty much ignored Laird's participation in the thread and continued on with their agendas. Some posters who've been betrayed by the unfaithful rail against poly people. Some poly people like you exemplify admirable cool, but you still have your agenda, which is to garner acceptance: an understandable agenda, by the way. But few will admit that their rant is rooted in rejection.

I'm a girl.

And the troops are over there for oil. I wish that they were dying (and killing) for our freedom, but Iraq never tried to enslave us. Rather, we attacked and occupied their country.

Southern Baptist, eh? Wow. That surprises me. Does your congregation know that you're polyamorous? I suppose they must, since you have website.

like the cortisone proposition and Pierce as a drama queen.

Then Bush and Rove and Cheney and Bush voters can be together, forever and ever.

That makes sense. Nice chatting with you, Anita. I wish you well in all your poly-life!

Thanks.

...drip blood...and it ain't His blood.

And simonetta's Jesus stabs the crown of thorns into Arabs' eyes, which means all eyes that aren't blue.

Again, simonetta should worship Mars, the God of War. How can you worship the Prince of Peace and vote for war? How can you worship the Prince of Peace and refuse to turn the other cheek? How can you worship the Prince of Peace and refuse to say, "Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they did."?

But yet the fundies manage to attend "Christian" churches because they hate gays. It's so simple, so sweet a deal.