The ohio letters illustrate my point. The majority of those writing in think the law is stupid but point out that it is the logical conclusion to the kind of identity politics that Broadsheet and you endorse.

I.e. this is a stupid law and a stupid gender turf war, but since you folks cannot see or admit the harm you do to men, I would have no choice but to vote for it so that we can all understand where identity politics leads. Maybe we can get you to wake up.

Hee, hee, that's funny saying I have suggested that Broadsheet has any sort of obligation, or that I am somehow anti-first amendment.

Can you tell me where I said they had an obligation?

Re: Cathy Young, actually she still writes for Reason? So what? Again, even as you gracelessly spread your "big tent" you put your hand over the opening to keep people from entering. Libertarians have no place in feminism? Libertarians have no place at Salon? Glenn Greenwald describes himself as a conservative.... Out with Glenn?

You're making no sense dear.

Rachel, CBob adds nothing to the conversation but a suck up's "yeah, that is so right!" Try to find any posts of his where he does anything but stand up for the status quo. (Actually I was surprised with one such post he did early today or last night) but the vast majority of his posts are of the sort "ignore what the men here are saying, I am a man, and as a man, projecting my experiences onto the entire world, I can confidently say all those other men don't know what they are talking about." That's an ignorant and arrogant stance that generates a lot of us telling him he's a buffoon.

AKA Smith, if that is your real name, is there a draft coming up that we don't know about, that Salon hasn't discussed? Do you feel the men that post here would be opposed to seeing women forced to register for selective service? Isn't don't ask, don't tell the real issue of the next draft?

Actually, Brighstar is one of the most interesting voices here as he speaks directly from his experiences as a young male that grew up in a very pro-feminist environment, and as he struggles today with issues surrounding gender. I suspect he has done far more work in this area on his own beliefs and values than has the Canuckistan suck up or AKA Smith, the pseudonym that rails about anonymous.

If you gals would stop thinking about how to narrow the voices to only those you want to hear, you would find some very interesting discussions here from Brightstar, Healthy Skeptic, Robert Franklin, Somegirls, even MWise, and occasionally AKA Smith (if that is her real name.)

However, it is funny, the one thing most of us agree with is that Broadsheet sucks and could very well be improved. But what AKA Smith is trying to do is make sure that alternative perspectives are not heard, which will guarantee that Broadsheet will gets suckier, not greaterly betterest.

Heavens! I am agreeing with you. The girls only camp does terrible damage not just to girls but to boys and indeed all of society!

Magical vaginal peace ray theory completely agrees with this. It suggests that the best way to allow magical vaginal peace rays to spread their influence is to ensure girls get leadership training and become leaders (probably through quotas on electoral outcomes) because we know that as grown women, the magical vaginal peace rays will make this world a much safer, much less violent, much more fair, much more diverse, much more color coordinated place for human beings and other living animals!

Reviewers hype products they've only used for a day, and that they got for free, and that they never used outside of its most trivial functions.

Pundits and Bloggers read a press release on a scientific article and then either hype the science or try to rebut it based on their agenda and not on their understanding of the science.

Bloggers are blogrolled and linked to on the basis of their agenda and traffic and not on the quality of the context or insightfulness of their ideas.

Books are read and reviewed and either overly hyped (Jessica Valenti's fluff) or outrageously trashed (Katie Roiphe's new book) based on the reviewers preconception of the author.

Who here isn't a shill?

Like I said, you and Broadsheet dish it out, and then cry tears when you hear it being mirrored back to you.

If it's okay for you to generalize to all men and complain about how all men use the word bitch to describe aggressive women, then certainly it's okay for all men to generalize about you, your wadded up panties, and your humorless vagina (pun intended.)

http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/frogboil.asp

Broadsheet (and Salon) has gotten a shitload of flack from women this past week regarding Clinton and critiquing their brand of feminism, but Carol hasn't acknowledged any of it. They've got great message control!

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