Rightly or wrongly, the perception that Hillary is relying on people who simply won't vote for black people as a justification as to why she should be the nominee is going to make the Democratic Party look really bad in the future if they don't take a stand against this now.

Unless Hillary is totally unconcerned with the future of the Democratic party she needs to hold a press conference and publicly state that anyone who would not vote for Obama because he is black is not a welcome supporter of hers.

And if Hillary won't do it, Dean needs to hold a press conference and say the Democratic Party doesn't need the support of people who won't vote for a candidate based on race, gender, religion, etc. If the DNC doesn't say anything then they will be seen as complicit which probably won't mean anything this election cycle but it'll come back later and bite them in the ass.

To clarify, its not that people are racists that is the problem for the DNC, it is the perception that one of the stars of the party is RELYING on it as a justification for her electability.

Ugly.

For the Obama-lovin press to pester Clinton to repudiate AND denounce AND reject the voters who say they are voting for her because they could never vote for a black person. Mmm, gonna be sweet!! [/snark off]

1. Will the press harangue and pester Hillary, to renounce, repudiate AND reject the voters who say they will never vote for a black candidate because they are black?

2. If Hillary won't do it, then Howard Dean needs to hold a press conference and say that the DNC neither wants nor needs the votes of people who won't vote for a candidate because of their race (or gender or religion). I know some people will think this is a dangerous thing to do if the dems want to win in Nov. but not only do I disagree, but even if I did agree, I think it would come back to haunt the dems far more in the future if they don't stand up to this attempt by a major party figure to rely on racism as a justification for electibility.

If Obama is the nominee, and Hillary and Bill truly and sincerely, for the good of the party and the country, campaign on his behalf then her arguments that she is more electable are hollow.

Understand? Her argument that she is more electable than Obama vs. McCain only hold water IF she and Bill are UNwilling to campaign on Obama's behalf with the same enthusiasm they have campaigned for her own. Cause any REAL democrat would vote for Obama over McCain ESPECIALLY with Hillary's and Bill's help.

She simply can't argue that she hold so much sway with these voters as her justification of her electability, then claim that they won't vote for Obama against McCain, is she is willing to campaign for Obama.

It all comes down to whom Hillary is running for. Herself or the good of the country.

Archiving all this data, its guaranteed history will judge bush not only as the worst president, but also as the most shameless and the dumbest.

Another example of the pro-Obama misogyny that has been a constant during this entire campai... Oh wait a sec...

nvm.

Hillary plans to actually perform an abortion before the next primary.

"I had a funny thought; if Hillary was VP nobody would ever think of taking out Obama!"

Ummm, I can think of one person who'd think about it. And she's already off'd Vince Foster!!!!

Its funny how, (assuming we're both being honest) we can see the same events with opposite interpretation.

Everything I've seen in the campaign has shown that Obama has quite nicely avoided race or gender as an issue. Its always been brought up as an attack against him. Whereas I found Hillary subtly working the gender card the whole campaign and sadly, not so subtly the race card. Specifically her willingness to rely on, and tout the vote of people who would never vote for a black person as a justification of her electability to be downright ugly. I wonder if the press will ask her to repudiate, reject and denounce the support of these openly racist voters? I think not.

You are a complete whackaloon and I take your exhortation to grow up the way I would take advice from Hillary on how to comport myself with dignity.

(Since you probably can't figure that out, it means I'd ignore it.)

...You'd have to be an idiot to not know it was a joke.

Would MoveOn still be arrogant if they had endorsed Hillary?

I've always been frustrated by black people who get upset when gay civil rights are likened to black civil rights as if the comparison makes them gay. So sad.

Anyway, this could be a wedge for Hillary. She's got nothing to lose so she may suddenly support gay marriage, whereas Obama with an eye to the General may not want to go there.

"However, one cannot really equate being a racial minority with being a behavioral minority."

Ahh, this is the misconception that is usually arrived at though it is incorrect. The comparison is merely and quite correctly that both groups receive unequal treatment in the eyes of the law, NOT a comparison of whom has received the worst treatment at the hands of the majority, for that would of course be ridiculous. And in that context of equal treatment before the law the idea that a black person wouldn't wouldn't stand up for that is odious in my opinion. And while it may not be that way for you, when you hear black people, usually religious types talking about this, the feeling is definitely that they are basically saying "We're not gay!"

Irony My Shirt!

Sorry, couldn't resist.