This is a quote from the cia official in the NYTimes story:

...were destroyed in part because officers were concerned that video showing harsh interrogation methods could expose agency officials to legal risks...

Yeah, that sounds like an admission to Obstruction of Justice to me. It's practically a definition!

I'm sure Cheney and his gang will come up with a dire threat to America long enough before election day to influence voters, but close enough to election day so there us no time for this made-up threat to be debunked.

Hey, if you read it the right way maybe its an anti-materialistic message that speaks against the vicious stereotype about women and credit cards...

And maybe the 12 year old girl who wears a pair wont end up a stripper.

Republican strategists working of data that shows homeowners are more likely to vote republican launched a plan to jiggle the rules a bit to allow a lot of Americans to become homeowners. You'll recall Bush's blather about a ownership society.

So the repub congress, rewrote the rules that allowed banks to sell their mortgages, which led the bank to grant mortgages to less than qualified people because the risk wasn't going to be theirs since they planned to sell the mortgage. The securities traders bundled the mortgages they'd bought and sold shares in them and all would be good as long as the housing market never went down. We know how that turned out.

Its so obnoxious when someone in some majority whines about a perk someone in a minority gets.

Besides, its not even discrimination against men, its market based pricing that favors women. Bar or club owner isn't getting enough women in their place, lower the price for their entry. Gym owner isn't getting enough business from women because they're not comfortable working out in front of leering hornballs like myself? Lower the price as an inducement, if that doesn't work, try a separate area where women might feel more comfortable.

You'd need to be a real tool to see this as discrimination.

"...how you figure men are a majority is beyond me. Last census I saw, there are more women than men."

In the context of this being a patriarchal society, based on who is calling the shots and who is making the rules, its plain that women count as a minority, and men the majority.

To me it would be embarrassing to be a man and acknowledging what women have and continue to put up with in this country, begrudge women these meaningless issues. We can afford to be magnanimous in our manliness.

Besides, what do you want sober fat chicks all over the place?

"How true! You really earned your red star for that one!

White protestant men currently make up less than 25% of the population, making them a minority."

BUT that white protestant 25% Make all the rules! They write the laws, they own the vast majority of wealth in this country. Clearly in these terms this group equals the majority.

And when scum like me gets a star on a feminist blog, you know I'm happy :) I'll be showing it off like a trophy at my weekly 'He-Man Woman-Haters Club'

"Teensy, I never experienced any discrimination at a gym

I'm a student, and I go to the local gym on campus and do weight training. The weight room is usually full of guys and they're all very muscular"

Maybe that gym isn't a good example of a gym a woman might be discriminated against? I went to a gym once and it was all full of muscular guys... and, well let me just say the board of health had closed the steam room at this particular gym.

"Harry, I understand the point you are trying to make, but your terminology is inaccurate nevertheless. A powerful minority is not a majority. In fact, it is the exact opposite."

Actually you can't define 'majority' until you put it into context. A majority of what? A majority of people? A majority of benefits in society? A majority of power-holders? A majority of Congresspeople? A majority of police? A majority of CEO's? A majority of the wealth? Etc...

And I still say that when you look at what woman have put up with and continue to put up with in this patriarchal society it is embarrassing to say that stuff like this is 'discrimination'.

Its easier to do wrong and seek forgiveness than to do no wrong?

I call BS.

TY!

That is exactly it. Its quite convenient isn't it to have someone else put it out their, then claim it's not connected and apologize, but the thing you've apologized for is still out there isn't it?

Mission Accomplished!

"...women are the MAJORITY of the population- but why quabble over facts..."

*sigh* I've addressed this several times. Read the other letters in this letter column.

I agree with gezelligtexas.

Also I just think that with all the years of Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, there must be this desire to flush all that baggage away and start fresh.

I can't tell you how happy I'd be to not have to see Bush/Clinton crap dominating our political news.

Plus how many people think about even if she was the best candidate, and she won, do you think any repub in government is going to do anything but make her life a living hell?