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Monday, February 9, 2009 06:45 PM

@willbhuman; @Jonathon in wherever

What is it with you dudes and the "I just want to ask a few questions but I won't say what I think until you go on the record first" crap? Pretty juvenile, really.

You think you are going to catch people in outrageous antisemanticism? You are going to catch those slippery devil worshipers with their own words?

"The answers anyone has to those questions aren't really the point. I'm more interested in how they make you feel...and the correlation between how angry they might make you and how much studying you've done of the particular subject.

You're all on the honor system...no peeking."

Right, ok, no peeking, DUMBASS

"Was the US entrance into WWII the product of a completely surprise attack on Pearl Harbor?"

Ooh, I do love an ancient conspiracy theory. The Historically accurate answer is of course not, the US was like 90% ready to go to war and Pearl Harbor just provided a tipping point. The conspiracy view is that the US was basically the Shire, being dragged into foreign entanglements by mysterious forces, no doubt including Saruman.

Was the Federal Reserve Act inspired by a desire to benefit American citizens?

Oh wow, you just hit the goldseam leading directly to Tim McVeigh. Let's pull up a couple more fertilizer and diesel trucks.

Did a lone gunman kill JFK?

Gold Standard there.

Do you believe that many on both sides of the Holocaust debate now agree that the numbers we were taught in school are wrong?

Ah, equivalency, sweet equivalency. No, they weren't wrong on the nice side, they were indeed almost certainly a good deal worse.

"Do you believe the 9/11 Commission uncovered all the relevant facts?

uh, mostly, yeah.

Have you ever been inspired to act by any kind of advertising message?

Now that is a truly broad accusation. "Any" kind of advertising message? Dude, the Gospels themselves are an advertising message.

Grow up. And put your tinfoil hat back on, there's a deary.

Monday, February 9, 2009 04:16 PM

@Horatio Nelson

You want a primer on Israeli politics, I dunno, maybe start reading some Israeli press; Haaretz being a good place to start. I just gave you an article from a respected source that had a list of very concrete examples of Bibi's lies, from way back in 98-- it mostly wasn't opinion, but concrete facts. I don't know what else you are demanding. It's like if I said "Bush is a moron who wipes his ass with the Constitution" and you came back with "citation needed." Please.

As for constructive anti-Zionist-ism-- well, first of all, I'm not even sure I am precisely "anti-Zionist." But more importantly, I get very tired of half-informed fools all over the world, and especially the internet, coming up with perfect solutions for other people's problems. Me, I take something more along Glenn's line-- I don't get a vote in the Israeli or PA elections, but I do in the US and Canadian ones. Therefore I am not sure I should be telling Israelis or Palestinians what to do. But I feel very comfortable telling the US & Canadian governments what to do, not that they listen to me or anything.

I think the US should at a minimum stop writing blank cheques, to anyone, including Israel. I mean write the cheques if they seem to be a good idea, but a) air the idea openly and honestly, and b) perhaps ask for a few quid pro quos. Personally, I usually want something real in return when I write a cheque, especially if I am writing one on my overdraft.

I am also endlessly offended by the miasma of lies on this issue in the US press. I actually know the history pretty well, but take history as history, not morality tale, nor anything that can be re-written, tragic, unjust, violent, and unholy though it may be. Support Israel as a home for Jews established by conquest if you wish, but don't dress it up and justify it with lies, distortions, and ad hominem attacks. The Israelis themselves, to themselves, do not.

If Israel were to ask me for advice (fat chance of that!) I would simply point out to them that their current policy is not sustainable. Eventually the US, one way or another, will stop the unstinting blind support, and with no other backers left, Israel will be in deep trouble. They are sitting on a demographic/geographic time-bomb. These undeniable facts necessarily imply an ultimate resort to either apartheid or ethnic cleansing or genocide, or to withdrawal, and the longer they wait to withdraw, the more painful it will be.

The repressive/retaliatory policies they feel that they have to follow in the meantime do nothing but make their long-term situation worse-- a lesson that the US may have learnt during the Bush years. Many of them, like the Gaza invasion, are mostly security theatre anyway, and don't even offer short-term gains in security. About the only policy they can implement that will do any good is to do their damndest to give the Palestinians something concrete to lose. Threatening to take things away from people that have nothing already, has proven to be a totally bankrupt policy.

On the Palestinian side, they could do a lot worse than elect Bhargouti-- something that terrifies Israeli hawks, it looks like. Electing Hamas may not as bad as it appears at first glance-- they at least have some discipline and aren't too corrupt, and in practise have turned out to be surprisingly pragmatic-- if Israel ever does want to make some kind of deal, they will have to have someone capable of making and delivering on a deal, and as it stands, it isn't going to be the PA, which leaves Hamas the only game in town.

But in general, I am deeply pessimistic, I see very little hope, and almost inevitable catastrophe, for everybody.

That give you something to bounce things off?

Monday, February 9, 2009 03:02 PM

@Horatio Nelson

You want a citation? Howabout this:

http://natcath.org/NCR_Online/archives2/1998d/122598/122598q.htm

Bibi is a lying sack of shit.

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