'Round and 'round we go, hoping maybe we get to see someone fuck-up and smash into the wall.

Please don't flame me for my pet theory here folks;

I wonder sometimes about all the hormones fed to livestock and poultry, and estrogen fed to dairy cattle. Not to mention that most of these animals are also fed meal which is the ground-up carcasses of their recently-departed hormone-laced herdmates. I've read about similar concerns with plastic packaging/bottling. ie. I used to think plastic packaging was inert, but I'm beginning to realize it emits chemicals which are unstudied and possibly hazardous.

Explains these nice breasts I've been growing anyway.

Min security at that. I can tell you it’s no picnic. People who judge the comfort level by whether one is given “three square meals”, or try to gauge the severity by cell dimensions, or whether one has latitude to pray, are talking out their asses. They have no clue, and I would bet that every last one of them would be crying like a baby within 24 hours.

It’s hell; a never ending game of mutual hostility. You against your captors, them against you. The dynamic is self-feeding, self perpetuating. They do not understand, really understand, boredom, hate, hostility and revenge, inhuman discomfort.

And the thing is; it goes on all the time 24/7, there’s no getting away from it. Loud bells, noise, bright lights, constant harassment, disorientation. Fear baby, all the time. I remember, I mistakenly asked for some milk for my cereal. Started a whole chain of events, which became do-or-die fighting words very quickly.

I know our society is a million miles away from ever really thinking about what we do with our prisoners, but anyone who suggests that our penal system is about rehabilitation or even, deterrence, does not know what they’re talking about.

If you were not a true criminal when you went in, you will certainly entertain some criminal notions when you get out. And that's what we're doing to these guys.

I want to believe in the higher aspirations of America, So DO many of these detainees (and guards) I would bet. These blasé media bloviators, fake macho-men make me sick. Both as someone who cares about human dignity, and as someone who cares about American prestige.

I hear ya. The point I guess we're both making is that people just don't undrstand that it's another world, even in min sec. I can just imagine how bad it get when then the guards are jacked up on macho rhetoric that these bozo pansy journalists feed into the eqauation. That's not America the way I always understood the ideal, not the flag I pledged to. WE are above that. WE don't cheer it on. Disgusting.

"The sad, sad, truth is that we have become (if we have not always been) a thoroughly retributive society."

Maybe not "always". But the thing I've noticed about the Right is how familiar their weird reactive mindset colors every issue. It's so schoolyard; so bullying, and so transparently mean and selfish. And worst of all delusionally insecure.

I'm sure someone who's a better writer than me, can tie it all together. You know, the wall to keep the Mexicans out, the "hey, if they're in Gitmo, they musta done SOMETHING wrong", all people who recieve gov't largess are scamming the system. There's a consistent mean-spiritedness to it.

I get so frustrated that we liberals can't get this message out. I fear it's just to real of a message. It was just the cavalier attitude about the ease of any kind of imprisonment which set me off.

You know the old saying, "If you're not part of the solution...." These perfumed, tough-talkers are obviously not part of any solution.

Well said. That's all.

... and I would not have it any other way.

I don't feel man-bashed by the article; just didn't think it was all that funny. I feel like it was a great premise which was given short-shrift and hastily written.

It's great being a dad. For the complainers out there, I offer this: bear the indignities (which are real) with strength and a heart like a lion. Your kids are watching you.

Happy Father's Day guys!

"We could have hit Saudi Arabia, we could have hit Pakistan"???

What freakin' planet is this guy living on? Iraq was a country of 25 million people-weakened by ten years of brutal sanctions; and had NOTHING whatsoever to do with 911. Pakistan is a country of 150 million, is not weak at all, and arguably has quite a bit to do with fundamentalist terrorism.

We got beat up on the playground and went home and kicked the cat.

I am so stoked to see Obama speak and draw huge crowds in europe. I'm not a BO sycophant, it's more about how good it's going to feel watching the criminals who have been running this country, and their corporate MSM lackeys, see just how much the world would like to see the USA make a political U-turn.