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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
I love ya Video Dog, but enough with the idiotic ramblings from the likes of this cretin Hill and the faux housewife Flanagan. Ugh. It's not even good snarky fun.
I think that their smug attitude towards how much money they think she needs and how easy it must be for her to get it is interesting. Especially considering that the tuition they were talking about ($1800) was obviously not going to Duke. If the woman had been a Duke student she would have needed nearly $16,000 a semester; for tuition alone. There are probably Duke students stripping to help them get by.
Of course, we all know that it's impossible to rape a loose woman, so let's let these poor atheletes off the hook, they are just exercising their priviliges as our social betters.
That just makes me so angry. I can't believe they are focusing on what the woman did for a living or how much she made. As if it has ANYTHING to do with whether she was raped or not. Crazy sick world we live in.
I know it's important for us to know that these people are out there, but I couldn't watch the video all the way through. It made me too angry.
Why is there a woman commenting on Fox? Is she there to find a husband? If she has one, why isn't she at home taking care of the children. This woman is obviously either a golddigger or a whore.
Tha same goes for Flanagan.
I saw the whole dialog and have taken the time to follow the Fox & Friends dialog on this issue for more than 15 seconds. Ya missed the point. I know some of you out there want to whitewash everything that society indicates is generally unacceptable behaviour with statements like it is none of your business but in fact it is our business. It is the taxes of society in general who will pay for the investigation, trial etc. If you are going to take my money it is my business. If stripping is such a glorious occupation then there would not be so much unseemly other behaviour associated with it. There are simply some things that are not OK becasue of the results of a particular behaviour or the inintended consequences of a particular behaviour. If we as a society do not require certain behavious standards then the result will be anarchy and we are well on the way to that in certain segments of our culture.
so I'm eminently qualified to talk about strippers.
Seriously though, how much do those boys pay for porn, strippers, weed, alcohol, and Staind tickets in a year? How many books would that have bought?
$800 a day doesn't mean every day, Hill. It means on her best days. There aren't 320 parties in Durham a year that hire strippers, and if there were, that says as much about the Duke men as it does about the strippers. I'm staying away from Fox; it gives me crabs.
If the alleged victim made $800 a day every day, she'd be going to Duke.
Oh my God! This is so upsetting! What an atrocious and ignorant woman! What is she trying to do by blaiming the victim like that?
Hmmm... I wonder how these commentators would feel if the alleged rapists had been a gang of poor, minority men, rather than Duke lacrosse players.
Although, who am I kidding - that story would have never made the news.
I want to know how the accused men's tuition is paid. I'm about 99% sure it's by their parents, probably the daddy works and the mommy staid at home. Are the daddies oil executives? Halliburton VPs? Tobacco lobbyists? what's more reprehensible, stripping or being a halliburton VP? I think i know the answer.
Speaking of which, why don't we know any of this? We know everything about "the stripper" and even her friend, but what about the biographies of the accused? where are they from? what are their families like? do they have siblings? do they have girlfriends?
And if people are going to criticize "the stripper" for being an exotic dancer to earn more money than she would at a a "reasonable" jobs, like the drive-thru window at BK, maybe we should ask about how "reasonable" it is to go to Duke at all when one can get a "comparable" education at a state school? You don't NEED a Duke education to have a nice life any more than you NEED to earn the alleged $800/a day (which is of course not how much she earns) to support yourself, your 2 children and your college expenses.
Bah! "Stripping" is more morally reprehensible than profiting from tobacco in our society because strippers violate willingly all our puritanical notions about the sacricity of the female body. No one comes down on male "strippers" the way people do on female "strippers." In fact, i can't think of a single legal predominantly male job that gets as much constant criticism from society as does female exotic dancing.
Lame, people. Really lame. :(
Yes yes EVERY private university is 100% filled with rich frat boys who's fathers are white imperialist capitalists. All the students. ALL OF THEM spend 4-6 years drinking beer and groping women only to graduate to a seat on the board of the largest companies on the planet where they proceed to oppress all the brown people on the planet.
You morons need seriously to read aloud what you type once in a while because you sound retarded and insane. I won't go into the fact that about half of Duke students receive some kind of financial aid or the fact that the total costs are equal to an out of state student attending the PUBLIC U of Maryland or that Duke helps underwrite what is one of the biggest hospital facilities in the world.
Please take your sidewalk faux Marxist class struggle I'll have a double latter and please dad pay my cell phone bill horseshit somewhere else.
wow do you have a warped view of the world
Yes yes EVERY private university is 100% filled with rich frat boys who's fathers are white imperialist capitalists. All the students. ALL OF THEM spend 4-6 years drinking beer and groping women only to graduate to a seat on the board of the largest companies on the planet where they proceed to oppress all the brown people on the planet.
You morons need seriously to read aloud what you type once in a while because you sound retarded and insane. I won't go into the fact that about half of Duke students receive some kind of financial aid or the fact that the total costs are equal to an out of state student attending the PUBLIC U of Maryland or that Duke helps underwrite what is one of the biggest hospital facilities in the world.
Please take your sidewalk faux Marxist class struggle I'll have a double latter and please dad pay my cell phone bill horseshit somewhere else.
-- Stephen Rifkin
Stephen, first of all, I went undergrad to one of these top private schools and now go to one in law school. and in case you didn't, yes, many people are VERY spoiled. Not every single one, but then again, let me ask you, how does one get recruited for one's lacrosse skills to go to Duke? You think that regular old public high schools have lacrosee teams? Only the very richest public ones, and many of the private ones. So that's an inference from the facts right there.
and now i present to you the product of 10 minutes of googling:
Reade Seligmann
Prep
Three-year letterman at Delbarton School ... two-time all-conference, all-state and all-America pick ... finished career with 84 goals and 42 assists as Delbarton won three straight state championships ... also an all-area and all-county selection in football as a halfback.
Personal
Son of Kathy and Philip Seligmann ... born March 3, 1986.
NAME: Reade Seligmann. No. 45.
AGE: 20. Born March 3, 1986.
EDUCATION: Delbarton School, an all-boys prep school run by Roman Catholic Benedictine monks in Morristown, N.J. Sophomore at Duke.
FAMILY: Son of Kathy and Philip Seligmann. From Essex Fells, N.J.
VITALS: 6-foot-1, 215 pounds.
PLAYING EXPERIENCE: In high school career had 84 goals and 42 assists; Delbarton won three straight state championships. At Duke, played in six games in 2005, with 2 assists; before this season was canceled, played in six games, scoring 1 goal. No career starts for the Blue Devils.
Collin Finnerty
NAME: Collin Finnerty. No. 13.
AGE: 19. Born Aug. 10, 1986.
EDUCATION: Chaminade High School, a Catholic boys school in Mineola, N.Y. Sophomore at Duke.
FAMILY: Son of Kevin and Maryellen Finnerty. Brother Kyle is a senior at Duke. From Garden City, N.Y.
VITALS: 6-foot-3, 175 pounds.
PLAYING EXPERIENCE: In high school had 18 goals, 10 assists as a junior and 48 goals, 22 assists as a senior. At Duke, played in four games in 2005 season; before this season was canceled, played in five games, with 2 goals and 1 assist. No career starts for the Blue Devils.
DURHAM -- By all accounts, Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann are the kind of Duke students that acquaintances least expected to be facing charges of rape and kidnapping.
Both are products of well-heeled families in toney New York City suburbs and exclusive prep schools. Still, they mixed well with their classmates at Duke, where fellow sophomores described the two players' arrest and suspension from Duke Tuesday morning as "surreal."
Finnerty, 19, from Garden City, N.Y., on Long Island, lived in a 15-room, 7.5-bath house with a market value of $2.4 million, according to Nassau County tax records. A lacrosse net and equipment were visible Tuesday in the yard, which abuts a golf course.
Seligmann, 20, grew up in Essex Fells, N.J., where the median household income is nearly $148,000 and multimillion-dollar homes abound.
His parents, Kevin and Mary Ellen Finnerty, were among donors to the purchase and renovation of a house as a Catholic student center at Duke. The house, at 402 N. Buchanan Blvd., once was the home of Duke football coach and stadium namesake Wallace Wade and later a parapsychology institute. It is two blocks from the house where the team party that gave rise to the charges occurred.
http://www.herald-sun.com/durham/4-725828.html
So, it seems these boys could have gone to Rutgers and SUNY/CUNY for their public state education, but instead were recruited for their lacrosee skills (read herald sun article) from their catholic prep schools.
Yes, half of all students at most schools like Duke get financial aid, but that usually just means loans, for which almost anyone who wants loans can qualify (people sometimes take federal loans as hedges for investments). Most people don't get need-based scholarships -- those are VERY limited. So, no, it's not like 50% of all the student body at these schools are underpriviledged folk who can't afford college. Especially at a school like Duke.
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