There's the rub, Ricky, boy. Fall upon your knees and repent for that propensity to find waffles, syrup and butter irresistible (it shows). Why are you and so many god-appointed moralists so creeped out about teh gay? I find your self-admitted desire to hump every foxy lady that comes along repulsive- get a grip and a cold shower.

Yo, Rick man.

I really dig your advice that we should fight against those natural impulses we're all born with. You know, struggle against all those bad, inbred desires, and our resistance will build character and bring us closer to God. Man, that is so cool.

That's why I work out and avoid the custard-filled chocolate Krispy Kremes. If I didn't, I'd probably look just like you. And, man. That would be a sin.

Eating Shrimp is also prohibited in the bible

(no fish without scales)

There wasn't anything homophobic in the statements that Rick Warren made in this clip.

All he said was that everyone has temptations that God expects them to resist and homosexual impulses are no exception. You may not agree with him, but calling him homophobic because of this is just wrong.

Bateman also plays fast and loose with science. (Isn't that what the other guys are supposed to do?) His misuse of science is also self-contradictory. On the one hand, he wants to attack Warren by limiting genetic makeup to shoe size and on the other, he wants to say that being gay (which is not analagous to shoe size) is genetic. There ARE genetic traits that go beyond physical appearance. There are genetic predispositons to alcoholism, addiction, mood disorders, etc.... Bateman wants to have his cake and eat it too, but it doesn't work that way.

Is being gay genetic? No one can say with any certainty. Man has been struggling with the nature vs nurture argument for centuries and we are still nowhere close to solving it. The human brain, for all of its flaws, is still far too complicated for science to truly grasp. What we think we know about the brain and its workings today will probably be laughed at in 100 years in the same way that we mock phrenology today. The truth about homosexuality is probably somewhere in between nature and nurture. But the complexity of brain development and the fact that much of the brain's natural development occurs during the early years of a child's life, when the child is subject to enviromental influences, probably means that we never will know.

He's inclined to have sex with "every beautiful woman (he) sees"?

And this guy is supposed to be a spiritual leader?

People like Warren have childish understandings of what sexual impulses are. For them, they need to have a doctrinaire control of their sexual boundaries, and without that, they fear chaos.

He really cannot discuss homosexuality without discussing promiscuity, can he? When did they become the same thing?

Warren is also trying to get away with a slippage between the idea of "delayed gratification" and celibacy. Everyone has to delay gratification; only gay people are required to "delay" sex and/or marriage forever (according to Warren). That abuses the meaning of the word "delay."

It's clear that Warren can't disentangle gay sexual relationships from promiscuity and the illicit. Otherwise, why would he compare the circumstances of a gay man or lesbian to his own circumstance of wanting to have sex with all the beautiful women he sees? The analogy makes no sense, unless you make the bizarre presumption that being gay is like existing without any constraints or limits on your sexual activity.

I'm not surprised that Warren concedes there might be a biological dimension to being gay. I get the feeling that when he looks at lesbians and gay men, he sees people who are hard-wired to indulge every form of lust. In other words, "perverts."

It's a mistake to base the grounds of gay civil rights on sexuality being genetic. What if it's a choice? I've heard of women who, after being in dangerous relationships with men, have CHOSEN to be with other women. Don't they deserve respect and love?

Also, Warren always goes out of his way to marginalize and malign gay people, in this case by sneakily suggesting that all gay people are promiscuous and are flawed or weak because they can't control it. (Yet, heterosexuals who can't control it are not denied marriage. In fact, they brag about their urges, just like Warren did here.)

The man is mean-spirited and irrational--yet journalists and politicians give him a free pass. It's offensive that he's speaking at the inauguration and the Martin Luther King celebration.

Equating gays to sluts is particularly offensive because he is against gay marriage--an institution that supports monogamy.

Sexuality is a wonderful gift, yet Warren wants gays to be celibate? Where's the compassion?