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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 12:00 AM

Finale wrap-up: "Gossip Girl"

Lots of parental angst, sure. But where was all the teen sex?

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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 08:08 AM

Funnest?

Really?

*Funnest*?!

Wednesday, May 21, 2008 07:21 AM

Aw, shucks, Tom.

Actually, no.

I'm not a particularly huge fan of the TV writing at Salon. Sometimes HH does it for me, and sometimes she doesn't. She covers some things I'm interested in, and some things I'm not. I understand why people find her style appealing. I personally find it hit-or-miss. (We could actually have a delightful chat about that in another world. You've show yourself capable of cogent analysis when not engaging in haughty, faux-moralistic handwringing and personal attacks.)

Then again, I haven't invested two years in weekly personal attacks against her, because I don't hate women.

I suppose SZ, who'se been a film critic for years, appreciates you giving her "a pass" the one time you deemed her worthy of commentary although that pass came with the implied threat that you'd show her her place just like HH if she slipped up.

When Farhad Manjoo wrote glowing praise of Grand Theft Auto, which you find vile and disgusting, you didn't attack him personally. Why is that? Would you have if a woman had written the same article?

Wednesday, May 21, 2008 07:00 AM

Parents matter in a teen drama

The balance of the finale might have been off; the parents are supposed to be supporting cast in a teen drama, not the stars. But adult characters are an important grounding for a teen series. Dan and Jenny's father is especially important; the Humphrey family are the outsiders to the scene, the bridge that allows the 99.99% of us who aren't rich residents of the Lower East Side to connect to the show.

Think back to the days of the original 90210. The show started to go astray when the Walsh parents were sent off to Hong Kong and mostly written out of the show (aside from occasional cameo appearances). The Walsh family -- once again, the outsiders -- had been the emotional center of the program; when the parents left (along with Brenda, for different reasons) the program lost focus. It will be interesting to see if the revival of 90210 (coming this fall on The CW) remembers the importance of the outsider roles.

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:37 PM

Suckerbetinternational, are you a Hillbot?

Are you one of those beings that insist that just because it's a female, it has to be superior to a man and can't be criticized in the least? Even if the female drives the train off the rails and into a nursery full of blind children?

Couldn't you do better than such a simplistic insult? Go back to the workbooks and see where you went wrong, then come back when you're ready.

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 02:25 PM

Maybe because it was written by a man, Mr. ReedToon?

Apparently, in your opinion, female critics should be doing something more fitting their "role."

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 12:21 PM

Just to clarify

Although Blair was originally heading to France to spend the summer with her father, Blair and Chuck were actually heading to Tuscany (Italy) on their trip.

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 10:26 AM

Can't stand, or understand, this show. But...

...this is one of the best articles about a TV show I hate that I have ever read in Salon. Ever think of applying for the position of Salon's regular TV columnist?

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 10:15 AM

Nitpick

Serena never said she murdered anyone--she said she "killed" someone. Big difference.

And the best lines of the night: "Haven't you heard? I'm the crazy bitch around here" and the ever-popular, "I'm Chuck Bass."

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 10:06 AM

Teenagers? I think not.

A quick look at all of the "teen" stars of "Gossip Girl" shows all of them except for Jenny to be old enough to buy alcohol, and then some. Jenny is indeed a teenager, but the closest she came to any action was with a gay kid.

I don't think that this counts as either pedophilia OR ephebophilia.

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 09:48 AM

Correction made

Nate's dad ran away to Dominica, not the Dominican Republic, as was pointed out here. The article has been corrected.

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 09:41 AM

Rufus & Lily

I guess I am the only person in the world who loves Rufus and Lily more than anyone else on the show; the tension between tham is tangible - they are GREAT together. Granted, Bart Bass sucks... the stuff with Nate's dad was boring; Georgina's parents being there was stupid (Although, "Haven't you heard? I'm the crazy bitch around here!" was a great line by B!) I thought Michelle Trachtenberg ws contracted for a few more episodes... anyone know?

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 09:33 AM

Hmmm...

Maybe teen sex is acceptable in Canada, but in these parts we like our youth as chaste as Miley.

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 09:06 AM

@ Brian

I appreciate your correcting me and bringing to my attention the term ephebephile, I was not familiar with it before. By the way it is ephebophile, not ephebephile.

I did read the article man, and what I took from it was that Thomas Rogers is a grown man who watches "Gossip Girl" -which is bad enough- and really would prefer it if the show had no adults in it at all and was populated only by hot, fucking teenagers. Perhaps you took something else from this article, so be it.

So I amend my opinion: Thomas Rogers has written an article in which he lusts after teen sex, which makes him a quasi-ephebophile.

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 08:54 AM

Patrick, Patrick...

The proper term for one who is attracted to teenagers is "ephebephile", not pedophile. Please try to keep your paraphilias straight in the future.

Oh, and maybe try to read the article as well next time, and not just the sub-headline? Otherwise it just looks like sad attempt at trolling.

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 08:40 AM

It wasn't the Dominican Republic...

...it was Dominica. White collar criminals don't hide in the Dominican Republic.

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 08:28 AM

#&$*$!%

Thomas Rogers, you are a sick man. I'm assuming you're a grown man, is that right? If so, what are you doing publicly yearning after the opportunity to watch teens having sex? Really it seems like you should be locked up for being more or less a pedophile. At the least your sexual perversions are on full display here.

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 08:17 AM

I cannot wait to see what comes next in Michelle Trachtenberg's career.

Now that she's had her distinctive Harriet The Spy nose fixed to look like everybody else's in Hollywood, and developed a bodacious body, the sky's the limit for her.

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 07:19 AM

More psychopaths please

We need more bad role models for America's youth!

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 07:13 AM

Parents just ruin things

It happened on "My So-Called Life," it happened on "The OC," and now it's happening on "Gossip Girl." It probably happened in a bunch of others, but these are the ones I'm familiar with. Whoever is in charge decides that they have to giving the parents leading story-lines. Why? I don't know. To widen the audience? Because the parents are already popular characters (like on the OC... completely missing the point that they were so popular because they were the parents everyone wishes they had.) so they want to give them more storylines? Because the writers and producers are older and want to write about older characters? What they don't seem to notice is that parents are BORING.

No one who wants to watch a show about teenagers wants to watch their parents have extramarital affairs. Once you start to like the main characters you can't help but sort of identify with them (even ridiculously fictitious ones like on "Gossip Girl") and who wants to think about your parents having sex with eachother, let alone with other people? Like, ew.

Plus, let me reiterate, old people are BORING. Even if you are old, like me and the people I know who watch this show (I don't actually know any teenagers, but if I did I imagine they feel the same way I used to feel when My So-Called Life veered into the interminable and, to me at the time, creepy storylines... the parents, MY parents since to all intents and purposes I WAS Angela, playing dress-up to have sex? Again: Ew!). Reliving the teenage years that you never actually lived has some fun to it. Watching rich peers who have everything screw around and mess up their lives/careers/friendships and end up in the exact same place they started? Yawn.

Attention people who make teen dramas: no one cares about the old people!

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