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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
The ladies didn't like the life of being kept by a high-earning man because of all the things Betty Friedan cited. Foremost, if he dies or divorces you, you're in trouble. You have no skills and no job experience and that means a precipitous drop in your life style. Second, who wants to live that way? Uninvolved, unstimulated and dependent. Doesn't sound like any fun at all. Occasionally I read posts to the effect that a man wants to be kept by a wealthy woman. No sane person, man or woman, wants that.
what do you work on? admittedly, my impression is that lawyers basically screw other thieves out of their money, which is, "problem solving" in a way.
Transactions of various kinds. I'm not a litigator, like the earlier poster Anonymous who is trapped in a hell of his own making.
You have clients, they want to enter into transactions: everything from merging and acquiring, to issuing ssecurities (which is a transaction with the underwriter), buying or selling real estate, building a power plant, getting a loan, whatever it may be.
You represent your client in the negotiations and try to get the most advantageous terms for your client in the legal docs and try to manage all the risks the best you can. Many of these transactions are between financial giants, e.g. Goldman Sachs creates some sort of structure, and Wells Fargo buys up all the exempt shares. It's nearly "amoral," rather than immoral, just millions transferring between the two behemoths.
Anyway:
The original point was that as more women enter BigLaw and investment banks, the relative number of men who have the ability to earn more than them and wine and dine them shrinks.
vs $105,000 in Austin/Houston Texas. Considering a 1 bedroom condo in Manhattan is $900,000, I guess I outearn you LC.
As I wrote above, women and gay men now control mainstream culture, of which network TV is a part. [And, as I indicated above, their time has justly come.] Most hetero males under the age of 40 left that scene a while ago. American hetero males do not resemble the men on the TV shows mentioned by Ms Traister. They are, rather, caricatures intended to please women and gay men.
This is how TV works. History International knows I like to watch shows about the Vandals slashing their way thru north Africa in the 5th century. That's why History International puts on shows about the Vandal slashing their way thru north Africa in the 5th century.
The marketing research network execs have seen tells them that women and gay men want to watch shows featuring pathetic straight men. That's why network TV is filled with shows featuring pathetic straight men.
And all this explains why I watch TV shows about the Vandals slashing their way thru north Africa in the 5th century and Ms Traister watches shows featuring pathetic straight men.
This is Economics 101. It ain't difficult to understand.
Shadow, I'm just stating facts. All first-years in NYC in biglaw earn that much, it's not a secret, or personal to me. I'm not making any claims about how great I am, i was merely stating that these high-powered women probably do not want to, and more significantly, cannot, find men who can wine and dine and bejewell them and earn more money.
Robert Franklin, I totally agree with you about how that life is completely lame and unstimulating. But some don't seem to be of that opinion. That's why I'm asking them what they think. :)
BrightStar, you may very well be right that you have a higher purchasing power than I do. However, first-years at BigLaw in Texas also earn a base of $160,000. I don't know what their bonus is in Texas, but i'm sure it's not nonexistent.
http://www.law.com/jsp/tx/PubArticleTX.jsp?id=1186477606275
Nobody cares what you earn. Nobody cares if you earn more than somebody else. Talking about how much money you earn is usually regarded as a sign of extreme insecurity.
Nobody cares but you.
Take it to IM.
Thanks.
all my favorites on one page! i poke LeC unmercifully because she can take it - she's TOUGH! she's an immigrant (from russia, no less) so, shadow, she doesn't deserve your contempt. she works hard, wants money, leaves the introspection to the next generation - just like our own ancestors. you *have* enough money, brightstar, that's not the problem. you have to change your ways. it's not such a good life you have. you know, if you are a lawyer, why not volunteer on some much needed pro bono work on death penalty cases? you will meet a finer class of woman.
I wonder if you do not see the point I am trying to make, that I have now stated 3 times?
Also, who died and put you in charge of this forum? :)
I am not in law.
I'm not interested in your point[s]. I'm quite certain your point could have been made without a dialogue about how much money you and this BrightStar creature earn per year. In fact, I'm quite sure that would be possible for even the meanest of intellects. Which means you're either dim or very insecure. Your choice, of course.
Your second question does not merit a response. If you think this is the proper forum for you and BrightStar to boast of your earnings while lamely insisting you are doing no such thing, then I think we've answered the question of whether you are dim or insecure.
[In case you ARE dim, the correct answer is 'both.']
P.S. I graduated from George Washington University School of Law 10 years ago. Your earnings don't impress me. What does impress me is that you are carrying on a silly dialogue about your salary while, most likely, chalking it up as a billable hour to some poor sap That's chutzpah.
into an embarrassing pissing match about yearly earnings, I'll join the rest of civilized society in departing. Salon -- you might consider hiring another editor or two.
Ta.
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