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What ever happened to Britpop? "The Brit Box" evokes an era of pale, sensitive, eyelinered boys -- and the Anglophiles who loved them.
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  • despite this article's derision of britpop

    i desperately want the britbox.

  • abbbstracted

    why do we feel the need to intellectualize why we do and do not like music? i'm a review-junkie as much as the next person, but wouldn't it be enough justification to say, "this pretty but it ain't got no soul, i'm not feeling it."

  • kdollarsign

    But that wouldn't take up enough space for a feature. Although if you added more swear words and putdowns, that sentence would be better than the music reviews in Vice Magazine.

  • Good to See Music In Salon Again

    Haven't bothered to read a music article in Salon since the "Journey more punk than the Ramones" fiasco in the early summer.

    Maybe there weren't any...either way; it's good to see and it's better to see a great writer like Simon Reynolds contributing...

  • more thoughts on this discussion

    Ramblin' Rose asks why anyone would bother to intellectualize about music- something we either plainly like or dislike for visceral rather than intellectual reasons- then goes on to slam anyone who would presume to do so. Well- because it is FUN. To elaborate a bit further: while the word "criticism" has negative conotations, to listen to something, care enough to have an opinion about it and want to express that opinion so that another can understand it is an act of love. I don't think any sane critic or partisan music fan- being someone who likes something more than they may like something else- expects others to simply adopt their views. They- we- are just articulating ours. Talking and writing about music is the next best thing to actually playing it.

    I strongly agree with Dr. Locrian's view on musical miscegenation. I personally find purists in music or any other genre to be a pain in the ass. Musical hybrids tend to be more vigorous than inbreds in exactly the same manner that genetic ones are. The notion of purity- that folks from a specific place should only play a certain type of music endemic to their place, and that only people from that place can play that kind of music- is patently absurd because it denies both the individuality of the players and assumes that some genre- say, bluegrass- is so constrained that it cannot incorporate new material or approaches. As if it sprung full-blown from Bill Monroe sans musical antecedents and free of either experimentation or influence. When extended to the idea that there is strictly "white" music and "black" music- and that the history of modern popular music and culture in general is the story of whitey ripping off the blacks- is bullshit as well. Everyone stands on the shoulders of their particular selection of giants, and this selection is both multi-colored and consists of people outside the strictly musical realm. The evolution of popular music is as technology driven as it is strictly culturally driven. Culture is a collective endeavor. There is nothing new under the sun- but there is always the possibility of recombining and inventing as the technology makes the latter possible.

    Planetary Eulogy's musical analysis is pretty much right on. I'd only add that the biggest change in popular music I've seen since the rise of guitar rock to the mainstream was the rise of grunge. Not so much because of grunge itself, which was largely an update of the Led Zep aesthetic- but because most popular music prior to the grunge thang at least acknowledged the blues in either its form, harmonic structure, or aesthetics (solos, lyrical themes). Much post grunge music does not reference the blues in any respect, and this is a sea change.

    As for world music- I object to the term because it implies that there are all these genres of Anglo-American music, while everything from Sweden to Zimbabwe to Peru can be lumped into one bin. This view is patronizing as well as musically absurd. That being said, Planetary Eulogy's assertion that world music is a boring bunch of crap couldn't be more wrong. There is a lot of great music out there, and I listen to more of it these days than Anglo-American music. Not because I am a snob or have outgrown that 'white boy stuff', but because I've heard (and played- I play guitar in a classic rock band and in a funk band as well) enough Anglo-American pop music over the decades that I like to listen to something different. And I find myself liking the feeling of Andean folk music, Afro-pop, West African music in general, Celtic and Scandinavian fusion music, flamenco, and Middle Eastern music. As for brit-pop of the ilk described in the article- hell I like much of it too.

  • What?

    This article is so off base that it's frustrating to even formulate a complete response.

    I expect a bit more than this kind of intellectually anemic "social commentary" from Salon.

  • Re: 'World Music'

    Absolut Carnage, I think we're operating under very different conceptions of 'world music.' I'm talking about the genre of music that coheres around programming like NPR's World Cafe and all the Putamayo comps, not just any music made outside of England and America. This is what most people are thinking of when they use the term 'world music,' and it is almost uniformly garbage.

  • BMX bandits we hardly knew yee.

    Dude you really are friends with Carducci aren't you ? :) Dug blissed out and the rave bk. and think its a-ok for England (does anyone say WISE isles anymore?) to have a base pop language based in yee olde melody man and lyrics guy. Gotta go with the strong suit at least for the general (white ?) culture steeped in such things. Shit their parents a'll had Slade and Cliff Richards recs. enh ? Or at least thats what stuck-had to have some Two Tone too yuh'd think.

    For me, in American; -real American,middle O-fuckin' HI-O,Swervedriver was the pick. Yeah that they toured early on with Monster Magnet didn't hurt- filter both of'm down to silt and you'll get yr boys Loop. SO 'hanks for the review, as always you make yr point-focus well now i know enuff that I'll mp3 it from someone (the ultimate c-60, c-90 move) and buy something else; prolly the SF box.

    Craig

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