Am I the only one who found this movie creepy and mysogynistic? I'm all for the girls beating the hell out of Stuntman Mike, but the way the timeline of the movie is layed out, he actually wins. The whole lady's revenge sequence is told in flashback, AFTER Stuntman Mike has come back and extracted HIS revenge on them by brutally murdering them with his deathproof car, and getting away scot free. How is it that no one else seems to have noticed this?

Silentshout, the movie is in fact chronological. There are actually two different groups of girls. Stuntman Mike kills one group. Then he moves on to the next one, because he's a creepy serial killer, and the second group gets revenge on him.

I know some of the girls look a little the same, but they're totally different. The second group of girls has two stuntwomen in it, unbeknownst to Mike. So they kick his ass.

why Grindhouse was such a huge box office disapointment. Was the concept of recreating a 70's double feature experience a bit "too cool for the room?" Were people scared off by the nearly 3 1/2 hour running time? Were people really all that more excited by the concept of a mediocre homoerotic ice skating flick with yet another performance by Will Farrell as an overbearing, sloppy jerk? Or watching Hillary Swank mine the bible for weak material, or watch Ice Cube grumble at preteens?

Audiences reacted well to Tarantino's high concept, high body count flick, Kill Bill, so why did this one fail so miserably? By the way, I saw Grindhouse twice, and it was just as satisfying the second time around as the first. The fact that most critics raved about the film was no fluke.

The only thing I can say in criticism is that the marketing efforts by the Weinstein company were lame. During the week prior to release, I saw at least 4-6 commercials for The Reaping, Are We Done Yet? and Blades of Glory for every one commercial for Grindhouse. Could it really be that simple? Did the Weinsteins let this thing die on the vine?

I loved both movies, and the trailers, but I kind of wish I had been as confused as silentshout, the movie he describes sounds even better, lol.

I can't wait to see the recut Death Proof, but the whole Grindhouse experience was great. The two girls in the second half are stuntwomen, so of course they've heard of Vanishing Point, that's a classic stunt movie.

Was the concept of recreating a 70's double feature experience a bit "too cool for the room?"

The trouble is, it's too lame for the room. All these "let's revisit the trash we enjoyed but show what we think it was really all about" has been done and done and done. The Rocky Horror Picture Show ("Science Fiction Double Feature," remember?). Movie, Movie. Creepshow. And I think essentially Breathless, Band of Outsiders, Shoot the Piano Player and maybe even Night of the Living Dead belong in this category, too.

We get it, already. Cheap thrills. Ooh, the pleasures of the trashy movie. But we've not only seen the originals, we've seen the parodies of the originals, and the parodies of the parodies. Tarantino was astonishingly behind the curve this time. Essentially all his movies have been plying this schtick, anyway, even if they didn't specifically recreate a "trip to the movie theater" experience. In fact, his trash culture obsessions have always felt second hand to me. Like he read them in a book on movies rather than discovered them for himself as a kid. It's very studied. He needs to develop some new themes, and explore different obsessions. I think that's why people stayed away.

Are American audiences going to be able to get the "full 'Grindhouse' experience" on DVD in the near future? Cause I'll be very upset if not. Ya hear me, Harvey?!?

That's ok, to each their own. I guess what I'm not getting is how Kill Bill 1 & 2 can do pretty well at the box office, along with Rodriguez' Once Upon a Time in Mexico and Sin City, but Grindhouse suffers. Seems to me that there are already enough Tarantino/Rodriguez fans out there to have made this film a hit. Where did they all go? Is it that somehow tributes to Kung Fu flicks and Spaghetti Westerns are somehow hip, but tributes to zombie and car chase flicks are not? The tastes of the American public are fickle indeed.

Sorry Christoper1988, I've seen almost none of those "original trash" films (not to mention "Vanishing Point" and all the other ones QT had the girls drone on about in DP). They're not my style. But, a QT/RR *take* on same? Sign me up!

I'm going to admit that, surprising even myself, I actually far preferred "Planet Terror" to "Death Proof," although I enjoyed "Grindhouse" as a whole. I never need to see a "real" RR movie again, but within the ironic brackets of GH all the goop and skin really worked, IMO. It was all hilarious, wasn't that the point?

"Death Proof" was disappointingly un-hilarious by comparison, so truncated and gratingly self-referential (even for QT, which is saying something). Zoe Bell and Rosario Dawson shone, but I felt like QT didn't try very hard to build out a movie around the central cool idea of showing his friend the stuntwoman doing her thing (which was unassailably awesome). He seems to have a genetic gift for building narrative tension out of nothing at all, because here I was bored out of my mind by the first carload of girls and yet still eager to see what happened next. No mean feat, but not exactly fun for me, especially when there was ZERO resolution -- WTF happened to their cheerleader friend? My husband suggested the gals drove the destroyed Challenger back to Jasper's place and cheerfully shouted, "We'll take it!"

I'm intrigued to see how this European release goes, because the opening weekend in the US was dominated by all that gossip about RR and Rose McGowan, and when GH tanked it seemed there were people/idiots walking out after PT finished...so where does that leave RR? Will the DVD set include a 120 minute PT? Here's hoping...