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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
Here it is Mike: I'm on the Left, and I despise Islamist nutjobs. Hate their guts. Hope they die. Total religious fanatic idiots. Vile murders. You happy? I said it, and believe it. What the hell does that have to do with US people torturing human beings? In contravention of all law and decency? Without a clue about guilt or innocence? And, Chucky, here in the glorious US of A we execute underage criminals who are legally classified as CHILDREN for all purposes save our death penalty laws. Of course, we give them lethal injections instead of cutting their heads off (I defy you to show, knowing what we know of the time it takes for lethal injection to work, that one is somehow a vastly superior way to kill someone than the other). And by the way, the oldest democracy is Iceland, not the US. For someone obviously on the Right, I'm surprised that you are such a Relativists--I thought that some things were moral, others immoral, and never the twain shall meet? Like all conservative phonies, you invoke all these "eternal truths" until you want to punish or kill some darker fellows, then all your universal principles dive out the window.
I don't understand what all the fuss is about. The reality is very simple indeed:
GW Bush and Gang, far from being 'the good guys', LIED in all directions to get get the US into the war that had actually been planned long before 9/11. (In fact, there were very simple ways by which the whole world, including most of the Islamic world, could have been brought to fight a real war against terror after 9/11 - check out: "Avoid Osama's Trap", by Bernard Haykel, published 25th September, 2001 - http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2001/09/25/stories/05252523.htm. Instead of doing the moral, correct (and commonsense) things that they could have, GW Bush and Gang deliberately ignored all of that for their own mad reasons - and went out like Rambo to fight their phony wars (in Afghanistan and then in Iraq).
-- GW Bush and Gang LIED to US citizens to get them into the 'right mood for war'. (And US citizens, scared witless and shitless by 9/11, bought the lying arguments of GW Bush and Gang).
-- They LIED to the US Congress to get the funding for their war. (And most members of the US Congress, also scared witless and shitless by 9/11, bought the lying arguments of GW Bush and Gang and gave them all the funds needed to fight that phony war - the real cost of GW Bush's foolish wars is well into trillions of dollars by now).
-- They LIED to the world in attempts to justify their war. (But only the <'coalition of the willing' - more properly known as Bush's poodles) - bought those lying arguments).
So what is the current argument about? GW Bush and Gang are "the good guys"? Don't make us laugh even more at you than we are already! They are WAR CRIMINALS plain and simple - and they should be treated as war criminals.
What US citizens need to do with the war criminals currently leading their nation is very simple indeed: IMPEACH GW Bush, Dick Cheney, and whoever in that Gang of War Criminals is impeachable under US law. Then put the whole bunch into prison for their crimes - or hand them over to an International Court of Justice, which should have the courage to put the whole lying bunch into prison for the rest of their natural lives (if found guilty, of course). Then US citizens need to work to become a democracy - government of the people; by the people; of the people. (That would really be 'Mission Accomplished!"). Currently the US is a government of the people - but by war criminals, for war criminals.
If US citizens are unwilling to do what's right (or at least to publicly proclaim their opposition to the War Criminal Bunch leading them), then they must be adjudged to be complicit in the crimes committed by their 'leaders' (much as many Germans of the 1930s and '40s had been judged to be complicit, on 'moral grounds' at least, in the crimes of the Nazis).
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Bush and crew will never be prosecuted. They have too much power and are connected to people with too much money. These are the people whose interests they really serve. I predict the scandal of war profiteering will be alive long after these immoral opportunists have left office with their spoils, only to be replaced by other immoral opportunists.
It is the rest of us who pay with blood and treasure.
Kind of a meandering review that seems to wallow in self-absorbtion on locale rather than content of the film. Was it that distracting?
" ... ships him to San Francisco to get him off the bottle. Not exactly the city I would choose for that purpose, but never mind."
"... (Virtually the whole film was shot in Winnipeg, Manitoba, which does not resemble either Buffalo or San Francisco.) I'd need a Buffalonian to judge the authenticity of Kingsley's accent here, ..."
I haven't a clue what the following implies. Again, was this a style or motif you were distracted away from the story?
"... pretty much fake in what I assume to be deliberate and self-aware fashion."
Maybe a little more backstory about the reason why Frank is shipped off, what gang he works for, what the dynamic of the warring factions in Buffalo is about. But, no, we get the following.
"I guess when your older boyfriend is a hit man, you come away from the relationship with some real-world skills.
Eh, some times you got it, some times not. At least, we agreed this is a good flick.
All the best.
Mike Pace;
If you want to call truth telling and self awareness "America-bashing," that's your right.
American liberties are hardly UNPARALLELED ( caps yours. )
If you're frightened because you think there are Islamists from the other side of the world who are driven to come here and start cutting heads off us all, you should see a psychiatrist. You're crazy.
If you think Jihadist Islamists are conservative in the usual sense, you're pretty silly. They're radical extremists, not conservatives.
Bush isn't conservative in any good sense of the word either. He's a radical extremist too. But you knew that, right?
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"Tiberius" ( not the real Tiberius, of course ):
I called it propoganda and that's what it is. Why are you so childish that you can't admit that?
No problem. I admit it. You called the article propaganda.
Propaganda is factually false, the article is factually correct, ergo your proclamation is bull.
AND you're no Tiberius either.
Nyah nyah nyah....
A good question for the Salon crowd to consider is how can any religion who believes its god-given duty is to dominate humankind ever be sated?
-- Victoria L.
Actually, that would be an even better question for the Pope.
Army Col. Stuart Herrington, a military intelligence specialist who conducted interrogations in Vietnam, Panama and Iraq during Desert Storm, and who was sent by the Pentagon in 2003 -- long before Abu Ghraib -- to assess interrogations in Iraq. Aside from its immorality and its illegality, says Herrington, torture is simply "not a good way to get information." In his experience, nine out of 10 people can be persuaded to talk with no "stress methods" at all, let alone cruel and unusual ones. Asked whether that would be true of religiously motivated fanatics, he says that the "batting average" might be lower: "perhaps six out of ten." And if you beat up the remaining four? "They'll just tell you anything to get you to stop."
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
219 Democrats and one Republican join in favor of the legislation, which passed by a narrow margin
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
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