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In that case I thank them for the idea then (thanks Grubert :). I never said it wasn't flawed or wouldn't be considered "democracy" by modern day standards - I was merely pointing out their assosciation with the idea of democracy. I was mainly counteracting Mike Paces argument that the U.S. was "the oldest democracy" simply because there's heaping historical fact (and almost common knowledge) that it isn't. I knew democracy existed in some form or the other long before the birth of the U.S.