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By saying that propaganda is a lie, I was engaging in polemic, a mild form of propaganda.
So where does polemic become propaganda? When is effective presentation propaganda? What about marketing?
At any rate, to call something propaganda is to accuse the messenger of deceptive intent, a point too fine to use in a mud fight like this one, IMO.
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But as to torture, it might surprise some that America as a whole isn't as opposed to torture as liberals would like to think.
I suppose it's because America isn't the nation that most Americans like to think it is.