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Thursday, October 1, 2009 12:00 AM

Goys, God, dentistry and "A Serious Man"

Joel and Ethan Coen on mixing Yiddish fable and suburban farce in their slippery, dark and brilliant new movie

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Saturday, October 3, 2009 01:57 AM

Polanski apologist

I am sure it is an excellent movie. But since Ethan Coen has apparently signed the pro-Polanski petition that is floating around Hollywood, I will not be spending my money on going to see it.

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 10:23 PM

The Sweet Smell Of Success

elecktro87 what do you make of the peeling wall paper? I was thinking at first cheap hotel? Then it became clear that it was from the heat in the room next door. But why was the room hot? Hell? I'm no scholar of Jewish mythology but isn't hell mostly a Christian concept? At this juncture I'm thinking the heat is generated by something other than a simple 'hell'. Hell as other people as a young Satre stated? Don't think that either. Deracination as you say? There seems to be something sinister in the combination of 'common man', deracination and Hollywood excess. I would tend to think the heat is from the curdling of Fink's own mind neglecting its own deliberate creativity.

This is where I come up short, Clifford Odets. Perusing his a brief note on his history there seem to be many many junctures with his life and Fink. Any clues?

Thursday, October 1, 2009 03:36 PM

A Reason To Sit In The Dark

After a fairly hateful year of film, finally something from the Coens, the most interesting filmmakers working. To quote a classic bread ad campaign, "You don't have to be Jewish to love the work of the Coens"...

Humor lurks @ http://www.thelintscreen.com

Thursday, October 1, 2009 01:44 PM

He Who Nos

You called it immediately Said, you knows.

Thursday, October 1, 2009 01:38 PM

You don't have to have much knowing

To gather up where this was going...

Thursday, October 1, 2009 01:32 PM

@FASOULE, you needn't respond to Pennywhistler

anyone who would say Jews were FARMERS in Eastern Europe really doesn't know what he is talking about. Jews were not allowed to own land and they weren't the serfs that tilled it. They were petty tradesman, shopkeepers and did services for the gentry, tax collecting, managing the economics, being a factor (the business definition).

Thursday, October 1, 2009 01:21 PM

Hey Pennywhistler- You Jerk Off

You have no idea what you are talking about. I am repeating my own family's story you idiot.

They were not farmers. They were met with "No Jews need apply" signs when they arrived in NY. Those that could did theater. One branch of the family went west to try their hand in the new movie industry. They never encountered the roadblocks they found in the east. After a number of generations in Hollywood and the movie industry, they are the 'rich' relatives. Those that stayed in NY got into the shmatta business.

When I look back through my family tree, I see how they created their own businesses within their own community, probably due to restrictions against Jews. Hell, I still remember "No Jews" signs in neighborhoods in Bal Harbor , Miami Beach. They went with the White only drinking fountains.

Thursday, October 1, 2009 01:20 PM

Nothing

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 01:19 PM

FYI: Goy = Crappy Other

The word "goy" is derogative and has a foul connotation. One would never happity dappity blog out the Yiddish slang word "swartza" (literally meaning "blackie or black one"). Yet a word that is equally detestable and could be translated as "uncouth cow" or "crappy outsider" is now playfully and gleefully bandied about. The unknowing gentiles laughingly refer to themselves with it, as they (and it appears many Jews as well) do not understand that they are pretty much referring to themselves as "crappy others" or "foul stranger". Not all Yiddish words are funny or kind. This one is pretty awful and I cringe when I hear it. Just say'n........

Thursday, October 1, 2009 12:54 PM

Barton Fink as Jewish metaphor

Barton Fink is certainly another Coen film about the Jewish experience--Fink, as is noted in the article, is a Jewish writer who travels west to make movies about the experience of the 'common man'. And his path west follows that of the vaudevillian and yiddish theater producers who moved to California to found Hollywood.

In the background of the film are all sorts of messages about cultural displacement and deracination--Fink just wants to write a film that echoes the plight of lower class Jews in New York City, and ends up succumbing to Hollywood excess and regurgitating his own past work. The film's final scene, where Fink talks to the studio head about WW II, hints at the characters' knowledge of the plight of Easter European Jews under Hitler but, like Fink's disconnection from his NYC roots, the American Jews are too far to understand or care.

A Simple Man is obviously more explicit about its subject matter and characters, but Fink is a powerful and disturbing film about culture clash and the loss of Jewish identity in the 'promised land' of the American west.

Thursday, October 1, 2009 12:29 PM

Thanx for deleting my comments Andrew O'Hehir

Let we can get back to your advertisement...uh, mmm, I mean puff peace article about this racist movie.

Thursday, October 1, 2009 11:50 AM

Another goy perspective on SLP

I went to many of the same schools as the Coens (although they were older so never at the same time) and this Irish-American Catholic can still sing the dredel song, get as equally repulsed by the thought of gefilte fish as lutefisk anyday and still bemoan the loss of the Lincoln Del and its fabulous challah. And I wanted to be a BBG girl (B'nai B'rith).

Thursday, October 1, 2009 11:32 AM

Insularity

It was a community that existed within the wider culture but was protective and somewhat insular.

That wasn't just a Jewish thing, though, was it? I grew up a few miles east of SLP (known in my world as St. Jewish Park)and probably a few years ahead of the Coens. My South Minneapolis community was every bit as sheltered and insular, I venture to guess.

A good half of the kids in my neighborhood attended Catholic school ("religious education six days a week") and at one time I thought of public schools as Lutheran. There were Lutherans and Catholics in that world. I think I knew before I was too old that Jews existed outside the bible but at 17 I had never met one as far as I knew. I attended public high school my final year and there were 2 Jews, brothers, in a population of more than 1,000. I thought they were exotic and was fascinated.

Talking politics with an Easterner when I was 19 I couldn't understand how he knew Senator Lefkowitz was Jewish if he didn't know him personally. There were Schwartzes in my Catholic school and theirs was just another ethnically German name among many.

I'm certain neither SLP nor my little neighborhood were unique for their place and time.

And of course SLP was protective - like Highland Park, now a part of St. Paul, it was developed as a Jewish suburb in response to covenants prohibiting Jews from buying houses in virtually all others.

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