"We never hear much about the "Ice Age"..the warming of the planet in the middle ages...only computer models that extrapolate out 100 year old numbers." JaaZee

Well, only when the climate studies mention it in the data stream, which they do. Riddle me this - how do YOU know about it? Were you alive then, or did you hear about it from a scientist?

JaaZee - actually, YOU never hear anything, beyond the sound of your own knees jerking in response.

Yes, the UN employed thousands of scientists for 20 years, in plain view of all major universities and institutions, to create a huge fraud on YOU, just you. All liberals are in on it, and frankly, we thought you knew. Sorry.

They're here to take our climate, guns and birth certificates. They drive Mini-Coopers. We don't care because we're on the payroll, and we're frivolous.

Anyway, that's the plan, and now it's all out in the open. I feel better, don't you?

Sarah Palin reminds me of a business associate I once had. He was good-looking and ambitious, but not particularly experienced, and not interested in doing hard work to get that experience.

He too would put strings of big and folksy words together with little thought or intent. He was just waiting for someone to say, "hey, you look good, want to do something for us?" Sometimes it worked - a decent front man, but lazy, when you got down to it. He left the business because he didn't want to work so hard, kept moving from job to job, just searching for an opportunity that would thrust him into some sort of instant spotlight.

In a phrase, I think you'd call him an ambulance-chaser (not the legal kind) - or an opportunist. He knew that he could get by on his looks, and didn't really have to say anything of substance - didn't have anything of substance to say really.

Not a bad guy, just shallow. He's never really made it in the business, and his good looks are fading.

Shelf life, baby. It gets us all in the end.

Wealthiest country on earth, with arguably the worst healthcare system of any First World nation.

You do the math.

I frankly don't care what the bill does to the deficit. Bush singlehandedly drove the deficit from a big plus to a giant minus. I'm not going to reject programs that have massive benefits for people who are really hurting because you say we can't afford it.

We can. We're the wealthiest country on earth. Our military budget is almost the same as all other countries' defense budgets combined. We can make this work, and we will.

Did you complain when a bogus war that was estimated to cost a fraction, ended up costing 3 Trillion? Which, coupled with tax cuts for the wealthy, is a large part of why we even HAVE a deficit?

Not really, but I don't have the time to trot out all the answers to the "debunks". At least I know the source that will do so is there, in full view, so JaaZee can't deny that we tried.

Other readers might have a look, and see that all the junk "debunks' are dealt with right up front, including this stupid article.

You do what you can, I guess........

You misunderstand. ACORN was my guest, and they were on their best behavior.

I know they can be sassy, but so can you! And there was more than enough if you had dropped by.

Really, you would have liked the guys. Not at all what you think. I know you're looking for scapegoats, but there are better candidates. (Seriously!)

Kookamanga - you should read it carefully and try to fathom. Cuchalain is right on. You guys are just discombobulated that someone is doing something you either don't like or don't understand.

But it's not the end of the world. It's just the swing of the pendulum back from Bush's cliff-hanging antics. And it's going to be a long time before it swings back, unless you guys get better talent in your party.

Dude, your choices suck.

She's got her right to hawk the myth - and it's a tried and true one - but I'll stick with the facts:

She's lied consistently, and badly - she keeps getting caught. She never takes responsibility for any gaffs, she blames others. She had an open forum to write about anything - as large and as generous a topic as she wanted - and mostly she wanted to get back at people.

She's got a penchant for pettiness and she's ignorant, but incurious - doesn't believe in evolution (or fudges it), doesn't know the world at all.

That's a toxic combination for major public office, but a great bio for a pundit or talking head.

She's a spokesperson, not a public servant. Babble, baby, babble.

Actually, Cuchulain2007 is one of the few posters here who can give detailed answers to your economic and political questions. I am consistently in awe of his ability to do so, and his patience with posters like you, who seem to just crank and whine.

I bet your dog would like him too. Sorry.

But on a serious note, you have questions, I can tell. Just go to RealClimate, here:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/start-here/

It's their start-up page that explains all the basics and answers any question or concern about the science you might have. There's a special debunking section that examines all global warming "hoax" claims in detail, and by scientists. Everything from the "hockey club" hubbub to, well, you name it.

The trend in temperature is still upward, with deviations, and arctic ice and glaciers are still disappearing at alarming rates. That's something that CAN"T be spun by oil companies as a positive - whole populations losing their watersheds.

Let me know how you like the site. Thanks.

Somehow I knew you'd pop up on this thread. If it weren't so funny, it'd be true.