Now, personally I think African Americans will be happy to stay home, or go back to the party of Lincoln if they feel the No Negros Need Apply sign has been hung on the White House...but I could be wrong.

I say let the albatross go. They either don't vote at all, or else shared race obviously trumps everything as in the case of their trying to shove the obamateur down our throats and calling (of all people) the Clinton's racists and forgetting conveniently that while Barrack Obama was siding wiht slumlords who turned the heat off of the poorest black Chicago folk in the dead of winter, that William Jefferson Clinton's admin saw a median income rise of 17000 dollars in blacks nationally AND a 23% reduction in black poverty. Obama: nothing.

So let them go sabatoge the Republicans. In the long run, and perhaps even in the short run the party will be better for it.

The Obamateur and his vulgar, hate-filled supporters lost me then and there.

re: Let's be honest, it will be hard for the Democrats to hold onto theose "real voters" whether Obama or Clinton is the nominee.

Choke on your latte, you pompous troll. I've been in Indiana for weeks watching adoring crowds in small towns turn out for the Clintons. They LOVE them and they consider them rightfully the best Administration of their lifetimes. There were JOBS then and Americans actually had disposable income and their kids future looked bright.

They don't need to be lectured by pompous assholitudes on the coast.

domini:

to the board's most articulate and reasoned posters:

Operation Chaos moles want JUST THIS. You are doing Rush Limbaugh's work. Rosevalier, Rambling Rose 22, AKA Smith, GThrasher, etc YOU ARE MAKING LIMBAUGH HAPPY. Think about it. Is THAT what you really want?

I see. These logical and intelligent people are "doing Limbaugh's work" whereas YOU so obviously aren't all as you try to shove a half-Muslim, inexperienced, divisive schister-connected idiot named HUSSEIN-OBAMA who has lost every major Democratic state by double digits.

That's the thing. The obamateur's insist that voters will transfer from Hillary to any Dem candidate. Not so. They don't trust Obama on the economy: poll after poll shows they trust Hlllary more than McCain, but McCain more than Obama.

And perhaps rightly so. first, at least you know where McCain stands - and he has a reputation deserved or not, as someone who will break from the GOP lockstep.

Meanwhile historically Obama has delivered none of the change he spews on about. And in this election his entire campaign has been Clinton bashing, posturing on an old vote on a war he had no skin in, and race-baiting.

In troubled economic times people couldn't be any LESS interested in dialogue on race, leaving aside whether they should or shouldn't be.

too, noticed that Salon blatantly implied Bill Clinton was the only one using the phone. I get so tired of all the Obama articles, the favoritism, the pandering to Obama supporters evident day after day in Salon's articles.

My opinion:

you have to understand the mentality of the neo-left. They LIKE to lose. They enjoy it. AFter the loss they get to feel like pompous superiors and they get to wring their hands and serve as the loyal opposition griping and whining about every GOP atrocity for the next term. Catering as waterholes for a price (donations, subscriptions, etc) to frustrated lefties looking to have some enjoyable agonizing with the like-minded.

Salon, moveon.org Air America, all the bastions of neo-leftyism , that's what they do and that's who they cater to. Keeps their bread buttered. The hell with the people who are suffering under the GOP plutocracy.

Anyway, that's how I see it.

The lesson to be learned from all this: Democrats desperately need to change their method of picking a nominee. Let's get rid of the caucuses and have several national primaries which include a number of states rather than allow Iowa to select out a viable candidate. It gave us Kerry and now Obama who is every bit as vulnerable, if not more so, than Kerry.

Too late, unfortunately. AFter the GOP has Congress back and McCain appoints 3 SCOTUS - there IS no Democratic party.

The Dems have won THREE elections in 40 years largely because the left pulls the same crap every time: insisting on a "pure" candiate that doesn't appeal to anyone else. They've wrecked the Democratic party. Putting Howard Dean and Obama and shoving them down the throats while declaring war on center-left (electable) Democrats and hailing Ned Lamont's has finished us off. Obama is an electoral shipwreck and Clinton has been damaged by his negative campaigning and the press's gleeful emphasis of to the point where she may well not be able to beat McCain anymore.

Remember, despite what the neo-lefties like to bray, parties don't get stronger by losing. They get weaker and then go into oblivion. This election was truly the end of the line. The GOP will gerrymander and legislate the party into extinction now even if it wasn't going to be in hopeless despair.

Hate to be so dismal, but that's how I see it.

On Dean, it just seems like he should have done something sooner. I have no idea what, but it really seems like he's failed the party

OH and who was it that INSISTED Dean be appointed to DNC chair instead of Joe Andrews? Instead of Harold Ford??

That's right. The same unhinged leftwingers that insist Obama must be our nominee.