Random illustrative verbal dischanges of an obvious concern troll, liar and spewer of ad hom attacks as a substitute for actual reasoned and honest (not to mention civil) debate:

You ought to know. You've yet to offer any reasoned support of Oh-bama!, have willfully ignored an entire host of legitimate critique ranging from his campaign's race-baiting, adoption of Rove's helpful assistance, slumloarding, refusal to explain his position and policies, and woefully inadequate experience and SEnate noshowing. In fact you have demonstrated your ignorance on everything from his position on the war on drugs to his (lack of) community organization.

Rather, you've consistently resorted to the same transparent Rovian inspired style of accusing others of what you in fact are doing. Therefore I recommend you remain on that rotating rock I referred you to.

and by the way, Einstein, it's Oh!-bama's first name I've allegedly "made fun" of.

Bill Clinton seems, at least to some of us, to be framing Obama as a can't-win, not-serious, minority candidate along the lines of Jesse Jackson, who never came remotely close to transcending race

I maintain Obama and his boys did that all to themselves.

They were running a nice clean campaign up to about the point Karl Rove started offering "helpful advice" to them in editorials (and I'd guess elsewhere) and then all the sudden the mudslinging they engaged in resembled the GOP's. (you know Clinton was responsible for PM Bhutto's assisination, Bush's bungling of the Iraq war and failed Mid-east policy, ad nauseum)

It came to a head in my opinion when they decided to win the primary in SC by playing the race card. (accusing the Clinton's of being racist for noting LBJ's contribution to civil rights is just off the map in ridiculous) But they seized on it as a way to instill anger in black voters and woo them to the pollls in record numbers. (at the same time they pissed off white Democrats who know damned well the Clinton's aren't racist and resent blacks foisting an unviable candidate on us just because he's black). I totally believe that was Rove inspired becuase it benefits the GOP in several ways 1) first it splits the Democratic vote whoever our nominee becomes 2) It paints Obama as the "black people's candidate" which will not help him in a general election, and 3) if Clinton becomes the nominee it takes away a good chunk of her black vote because they'llb e angry, which as we saw in 2004 about 10% of the black vote is all the GOP needs to chip away at to carry an election.

So it was win-win - for the REpublicans.

I blame Obama and his campaign for their ambition and in fact they are the ones who were willing to "do anything" to win, including being so ambitious as to fall right into the GOP's trap. He clearly was not and is not ready to be President, can't win against an experienced GOP candidate, and instead of causing all hell in splitting up the Dem voters (yet again) he should have waited a few more years.

Your timeline of Obama using the race card doesn't make much sense. By the time of the LBJ remarks, which were not racist but readily misconstruable, we already had Mark Penn doing the "cocaine" dance and Billy Shaheen "accidentally" bringing up questions about Obama's drug use and religious history.

1. The religious history was distributed by the religious right almost 2 years ago. I know because I got their letters from some of my well-meaning evangelical Christian friends. That was neither started nor initiated by HRC, but it was nice for te Republicans that they could blame it on her and that Obama was naive enough to buy into it in the same way he blamed her for that hit piece by a GOP slime like Novak.

2. You are knowingly or not, incorrect about who started the race wars. Obama attacked HRC's civil rights history (which was way way out of line) and it was actually one of HRC's black civil rights hx supporters who said that Clinton was working for Civil Rights when Obama was entertaining himself in Chicago. (presumably doing drugs which you betcha the Republicans will bring up again).

In other words all the blacks who actually were actively involved with MLK and civil rights efforts have sided with HRC.

Obama then seized on the opportunity again with Clinton's factual and hardly racist references to LBJ to stir up a race riot among blacks.

By doing so, he fell for Rove's trap. He marginalized both Obama and Clinton and near assured victory for the GOP - and again, I blame that on Obama for even accepting his help and for having so much ambition as to run for office before he was qualified and when there was so much at stake.

Unfortunately now I think the rest of us best get used to saying "President McCain" - and yes, I'm mad as hell about it and blame it on Obama and his adulators who adulated him knowing near nothing about him but rather in irrational hatred of HRC.

We had Senator Clinton proclaim herself the most "innocent" candidate and her campaign attack Obama as soft on mandatory minimums.

Well, she put up with 3 months of Rove's, I mean Obama's attacks before she hit back. To her credit that's longer than I would have.