You've got it backwards. Only a small percentage of Hillary Clinton supporters (roughly 10%) want no part of Obama. The rest would support him as the nominee but like them both.

Really? How do you know. By all accounts at least 25% of HRC supporters would sit this one out but that's already obsolete. Given the divisive, racially charged tone of the Obama campaign, it's possibly quite higher.

About 25% of Obama supporters want no part of Hillary Clinton. Where does this come from? The fact that a lot of his supporters are Independents and Republicans.

Actually I'd love to see your citation for that. The cites I've seen have shown (at best) Obama getting 3% of the Republican vote.

They're also a lot of democrats who are sick and tired of the Clinton's and do not want a return to the fights of the 90s that she would bring with her.

Really, where? And what makes you think that any elected Democrat isn't going to get the same sort of fights from the GOP, assuming they get as far as the Clinton's... All I know is the Clintons, tired as you may be of them, are the ONLY Dems to win two presidential terms conseq. since FDR.

It makes logical sense in every way shape and form about who's supporters are dyed in the wool lock step democrats and who's supporters are not.

convincing.

p.s.: All of the groups you mentioned will come around to Obama eventually. Why?

Because he won those groups by huge margins in Illinois

Not true. He only won half of the Illinois hispanic vote and that was in his home state. Very very ominious for him in a general where Dems *have* to win NJ and California and would be damned helpful to get NM, AZ and/or Colorado.

and he has done well with them in a lot of states. He came pretty damn close in New Mexico, for example.

On all he's only getting about 15% of the hispanic vote so how does that fair for him in critical high-hispanic states like NJ and CAlifornia, not to mention Arizona where McCain is actually from and like HRC, is popular with hispanics.

And consider California where he only lost by 10pts after being down by 20-30pts.

I AM considering California. That's what I'm worried about.

Consider Wisconsin where he took every single demographic away from Hillary Clinton, including older voters.

I'd be careful. He may have won a few over. Maybe. Wisconsin had open primaries much like Texas and the votes he did get from GOPsters playing trip-up won't be there in November. Remember by then the McCain had it sewed up and Republicans were voting in Dem primaries.

And so forth and so on. Hillary Clinton has much less of a chance pulling Obama's supporters to her than the other way around.

Okie dokie. Let's say she doesn't. Well, that pretty much means that we will lose black southern states - nothing new there. And Wyoming and Idaho and a few states that went Republican anyway. Meanwhile with HRC California, NJ, NY, MA, OH, PN, much of the southwest is guaranteed. So I guess we can afford to lose Vermont.

If I have to take chances on one campaign or the other sitting out it therefore makes more sense to let the Obama camp do it. Because she wins the big electoral states and he doesn't.

If she ended up wrenching the nomination away from Obama like Ed Rendell suggested today on MTP, i.e., through the Super Delegates even if he had all of the votes and elected delegates and states, she would need him as VP to remain viable.

I disagree if she "wretches" the campaign away from your Messiah's rightful title to it, she nominates Richardson and sweeps up the southwest.

He does not need her however.

Yeah, sure. What does he need with NY, the southwest, California, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida or New Jersey.

It would probably hurt him to have her on the ticket considering how despised she is with the very people he's trying to bring into the democratic fold.

If you say so.

Everyone cares. He's a prosecutor.

He just made us look like a set of hypocrites all over again and now you want to (deliberately IMO) lead the lemmings off a cliff by insisting that he's above the law he's prosecuted so many others for.

The best thing Spitzer can do in this case is, unfortunately, step down and get out of the spotlight.

And damn him for this too. For someone so damned bright he's awfully stupid.