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Renegade Iconoclast
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Weasel words
[Read the article: Who would the GOP rather face?]
[Read more letters about this article: Here]The problem, Iconoclast, is that the difference between Hillary and Barack's performance against McCain in that poll you cite is well, well, within the margin of error of the poll. So the poll really doesn't show anything.
Way to handwave. You claim that Obama can lose CA and NY in the general. I point out that he has solid leads of 11% and 14% in each. So you try to obfuscate and point out that the difference between Obama and Clinton's support is within the error margin, as if that has anything to do with his performance vs McCain, which, as you know is well outside the margin of error.
The reason the difference in support in those states between Obama and Clinton is within the margin of error is because they're both Democratic states, and are going to vote Democratic in the general election, something you'd admit if you were honest. Instead:
The second problem is that the election will not be held today. Voters from New York are much more likely to be shifted away from Obama than from Clinton, whom they know for years and love. Obama may be in the infatuation stage with many NY voters right now. By contrast, they've been married to Clinton for years and will renew their vows next time.
Groundless speculation. Yes, Clinton is loved. McCain is not. You're just making up stories out of whole cloth to fit your conclusion, that Obama is going to lose the general. Even when faced with hard statistics showing that you are wrong, you don't give up.
Ya, okay, the election isn't today. You don't know what is going to happen any more than anyone else does, you just want your horse to win.
She's out, man. Get over it, and come on over to our side of the fence. We'll welcome you with open arms.
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Well, if the polls are meaningless
[Read the article: Who would the GOP rather face?]
[Read more letters about this article: Here]I never said I thought Obama would lose the General Election, actually--that was someone else.
Okay, my mistake. You did, however, imply that you thought NY and/or CA might be up for grabs, which is just Clinton fantasyland, backed up by zero evidence and only the rankest form of speculation, which was my point.
I think either democrat could win. I think Hillary has a better chance because the electoral votes are more likely to go her way, including New York. You answer with a meaningless poll. If polls had been trustworthy, Hillary would have been out of here after New Hampshire, but they aren't, and she wasn't.
Likely Democratic voters switched their vote from one Democrat to another Democrat. This doesn't mean that CA and NY are up for grabs in the general. Furthermore, while polls this far out may not be accurate, I'll bet on them before your amateur speculation any old day.
For non-battleground states, polls are not meaningless. The vast likelihood is that NY and CA will go to the Dem. I'd very happily bet you $1000 and give you 2-1 odds, based not only on those polls, but on historical performance and known demographic data.
Is it meaningless that Obama has a lot of solid support, whereas Hillary has a lot of leaning support? Is it meaningless that 47% of the electorate say they wouldn't vote Hillary for dog catcher?
For what it's worth, if Hillary, by some miracle, secures the nomination, I'll happily go to the polls with a whistle on my breath and a spring in my step to vote for her. It isn't going to happen. I haven't called for her to drop out, but I would call on her to not do the right wingers' dirty tricks for them.
But that will never happen. It is over, finished, finito, wrapped up, concluded, ceased. The sooner you cop to that, the sooner we can move on. No way in hell the superdelegates are going to usurp the will of millions of first time voters and young people, who could build our party in the years and decades to come. No way Hillary can come away with more delegates, more votes, more states, more of anything really, except superdelegates. So those superdelegates would have to reverse the will of the electorate.
Hillary can stay in, for as long as she wants, as far as I care. It will keep the focus on us, and I think a convention will be fun. She just can't win, that's all. You'll see.