Could the reluctance, silence or outright support (Rockefeller, etc.) on amnesty spring from the Dems in Congress having been briefed on the program way back when without raising their voices in opposition? If they raise a fuss about it now, doesn't it make them look like a bunch of partisan political hacks (the Republican line of attack) and not responsible government officials pledged to uphold the Constitution? Isn't the Dems complicity on this issue part of the problem?

Naturally, I presume that you do your utmost to instruct your impressionable teenage Indonesian students that the U.S. is not a warmongering country... Elephantman

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Here's a list of wars and military actions that the U.S. has either taken unilaterally or as part of a coalition or UN Peace keeping force. I have not included the American Revolution, War of 1812, The French/Indian War, WWI, WWII or the Korean War or Desert Storm. I also did not include the numerous skirmishes, battles and wars fought with Native Americans; One incident involving the Marines giving blankets infected with smallpox virus to Native American children and old people under the guise of helping them through a bitter winter. The first known occurrence of biological warfare. Native Americans had no immunity to smallpox.

1801-1805; 1815 Barbary Wars United States vs. Morocco, Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli

1813-1814 Creek War United States vs. Creek Indians (The U.S. was at war with its indigenous peoples.)

1836 War of Texas Independence Texas vs. Mexico

1846-1848 Mexican War, United States vs. Mexico (We goaded a Mexican hot head General into attacking and then stole half their country)

1861-1865 Civil War Union vs. Confederacy (The warmongeriest war we've ever had)

1898 Spanish-American War United States vs. Spain (The Cubans asked us to help them kick out the Spanish and then we refused to leave. Castro finally kicked us out.)

1899 - 1902, The Philippines, United States vs. The Philippines (The Philippines asked us to help them gain their freedom from Spain and then we tricked them into having Spain give us the Philippines. We then set upon the population killing thousands of them when they fought us to leave.)

1915, Haiti, United States Marines Intervention

1916, The Dominican Republic, United States Marines Intervention

1927, Nicaragua, additional United States Marines sent to Nicaragua after 13 years of U.S. Marines occupied Managua.

1957, Guatemala, CIA assassinates democratically elected President

1958, Lebanon, United States Marines Intervention

1965, The Dominican Republic, United States Marines intervention

1960-1975 Vietnam War United States and South Vietnam vs. North Vietnam

1961 Bay of Pigs Invasion United States vs. Cuba

1973, Chile, CIA colludes with Pinochet to overthrow democratically elected Marxist government and assassinates President Salvador Allende

1982, Lebanon, United States Marines intervention in Civil War

1983 Grenada, United States Intervention

1989 US Invasion of Panama, United States vs. Panama

1995-1996 Intervention in Bosnia and Herzegovina United States as part of NATO acted peacekeepers in former Yugoslavia

2001, Invasion of Afghanistan, United States and Coalition Forces vs. Taliban

2003 Invasion of Iraq United States and Coalition Forces vs. Iraq

Does this sound like a peace loving people?

... Please, by all means, run on a platform that America is an evil, rotten, warmongering, rogue state......Elephantman

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You interjected the "warmongering" labels into this discussion with the offhand false statement that the U.S. does not warmonger, which is not indicated by the historical facts.

.....Publish your list of supposed American atrocities....Elephantman.

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The list I posted is not made up of "supposed" events. That is the historical record.

....Get Obama to talk about it. And get that message out there; that Obama is going to fix us up because we have been such a pariah nation.....Elephantman

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My intention in posting the list of American military actions is not to influence what Obama discusses in his campaign speeches. My intent is to correct your inaccurate and misleading statements that the U.S. does not warmonger, when the evidence clearly shows that it has and does. Not the only telling example of that, the current disaster in Iraq. Unless you haven't heard, we bombed and invaded a country that had not done anything to us and did even possess the ability to do anything to us. That's called warmongering.

Stop spinning. You argue like a typical Republican neocon, you spin, distort, drag into the discussion countless side issues, you muddy up the discussion, you make shit up. The truth will set you free.

Should MI and FL re-vote? Well, duh.

Shawn stop, just stop. You're disgracing yourself. Your biases and shallow political opinions, devoid of any accurate historical or political insight, are only displaying your ignorance. OK, we get it, you think Clinton is the Messiah.

I'm an Obama supporter. I'm a white, middle aged Southern male. I have always decried and denounced the level of sexism that Sen. Clinton has had to endure. It is good that you help point out the ways in which this is unfair to Sen. Clinton. That is still not reason enough to elect her President.

While not anywhere near as obvious and confrontational, the Clintons have engaged in some pretty scandalous, however extremely subtle, veiled racism, intentional or not, toward Obama's candidacy. This does not excuse the sexism that she has endured and is not a good enough reason to make him President.

I wish that we could focus on their voting records, their policy positions, their plans, their vision and their character without regard to race or sex and stop with this messy, unwinnable, ugly identity politics.

"We, the people, truly learned nothing from Viet Nam..."

Gore Vidal once quipped in one of his brutally honest assessments of the American character that Americans never learn, and then he skewered our pretensions with a biting understatement. "It's one of our charms."