You wrote:

"So if a man is incoherently drunk - but manages an erection - and a sober woman sits upon that inchoherent and non-consenting erection - HE'S the rapist?"

No stupid, as you said, in the silly hypothetical situation you constructed in your paranoid troubled mind, she is sober, and fully cognizant of her sexual advances, so therefore she was not raped.

To Robert Franklin

"We've had this discussion before and I understand that you believe that rape is a crime that can only be done by a man to a woman because he has a penis that can be inserted into one of her body's orifices and she doesn't."

You're right, we did have that discussion before, and I thought I stated that I believe the laws should reflect that rape be legally defined as a criminal act of forced entry into the body of a non-consenting or incoherent, non-competent person (not the passive allowing of entry). And also I stated that the violation of underage inability to give consent is statute rape, regardless of whether the minor is female or male. And lastly, it is possible for a male minor to force his penis into a girl or woman against her will, which would make the boy guilt of rape (yes, some boys have raped over the age of consent women).

However, since we had that debate, I have tried to find a real life occurrence of a woman "hopping on an unconscious man's woody, and the man pressing charges," but have not found a recorded incident of that having happened, anywhere. But reports of date rape via intoxication are happening daily in great numbers. I am going to focus on fighting date rape, and making it easier to convict date rapists, and forget about the silly hypothetical that you and the stupid anonymous keep bring up.

Robert Franklin, you are not a stupid guy, and I agree with you that a rape conviction should require more than just an accusation, but evidence of a blood alcohol level of .2%, or greater in the woman (or man) at the time that entry was made upon her (or his) body, should be considered enough to garner a guilty verdict, in my opinion (if she (or he) accuses him (or her) of rape).

And I am a man that take pride in my "work," and never complains about the "work" that is required of me.

I have translated and passed on your message to my wife. Whether or not I am to get laid is 100% her decision.

BTW, I have noticed that when I am kind, caring, charming, witty, and supportive of my wife, she usually gives me an indication of "yes." But when she gives me an indication of "yes," she still always makes me "work" for it first.

My comment of blood alcohol levels was not an analogy at all, but rather a point I was making that we should never allow our friends to drive if the they have had more than one drink in an hour (.08%), and likewise we should never make sexual advances onto anyone who has consumed more than 5 drinks in one hour (.2%).

To Juliebird:

"George was also drunk, but not completely incapacitated, since he could achieve erection and ejaculation."

George also would have had to of had the will power and consciousness to penetrate as well. I'm not disagreeing with you, just adding to what you wrote (and something that should have been in "The Snapper").

As a man that doesn't drink, and as a man that finds drunk women unattractive, I am often saddened when I hear how couples think they can't have fun unless they are drinking.

Is there no alternative? Must we go to bars to pick each other up? Is a bar the only place couples can go to have fun?

Of course not, to both questions.

I did meet my wife in a club, but neither of us was drinking at the time, and when I went to dance clubs I would have no more than 1 alcoholic drink per hour, and chugged the Diet Sodas if I was pressured by the club staff to buy something, though most dance clubs don't pressure their guests to drink.

Beaches are a great place to meet people, so are private parties with friends who bring or invite their friends that you don't know, and the internet provides all kinds possibilities to meet people (some of them not good) and find things to do with them that doesn't involve drinking alcohol.

I have had only a few bad dates in my life, and all of them had some element of alcohol consumption.

If I offended anyone with my "deep" comment, then please accept my humble apologies.

On the topic of sex, sexuality, and anything sexual, I tend to get rather graphic to make my point, and perhaps this is the wrong forum for that.

But on the topic of rape, I think we should be graphic and specific, so that no area is left in the gray zone.

If I offended anyone with my "deep" comment, I apologies.

I was only trying to be humorous.

Actually hearing that Scotland has seen at least part of the light in the fight against date rape has made me a bit jubilant.

As provided by Wikipedia:

"The vagina, (from Latin, literally "sheath" or "scabbard" ) is the tubular tract leading from the uterus to the exterior of the body in female(s)... In common speech, the term "vagina" is often used to refer to the vulva or female genitals generally; strictly speaking, the vagina is a specific internal structure and the vulva is the exterior genitalia only."

However, a man can lick a woman's vagina, and some of us "special men" can lick pretty deep.