I know you would love to believe that I'm the only person in the entire world who thinks admin was at fault, but: please read the articles and talk to people who were on campus, like I have. Then spout off your nonsense about how no one deserves to know until 9:30 that people were killed on campus at 7:15. Forgive me if I believe the people who were there rather than you.

The Salon article is right, and it's not the press who are saying the administration was slow and security lax: it's parents, it's VT kids, it's people who aren't sitting at their computers, like you are, deciding that kids deserve to wait two hours to know a)there was a murder and b)there's a murderer loose among them. Several students were interviewed saying that they didn't realize there was a murder on campus.

And the people who were dense on Aug. 21 are the ones who didn't realize the campus was closed, evacuated and classes locked by 9 am. If anyone was in doubt there was a crisis at that point -- as one commenter claimed -- they're too stupid to live.

Also, KStone, please cut it out with the personal, snotty comments, like "glad you weren't in charge" or "I guess you dropped your previous "not taking domestic violence seriously" angle, eh? "

If you were able to follow a single argument past your own inane prejudices, you would see that it's still the same argument. I guess if you don't actually see the literal words "domestic dispute" you think it's not the same point. Throughout, I've been saying that campus security treated these two murders differently and kept them quiet because they thought it was a domestic dispute. They said that themselves. That assumption was wrong, they had no proof of a domestic dispute and IN ADDITION, even if they thought it was a domestic dispute, they should have acted on the only, actual thing they knew, which was: two people dead, murderer on the loose.

Please, convince me some more that people shouldn't be told of murderers on campus. Because if you convince me, since I'm the only person who thinks security acted wrongly and inefficiently, you win the Internet!

Did you read the emails? At 7:30 they knew the ex-con shot someone. At 8:03 VT administration sent out an "emergency advisory" email to the entire community. Shortly thereafter -- and well before 10 am -- they told commuters to turn back and told students that classes would not open as usual. At that point, anyone who didn't know something was going on was a bit dense.

So, yes, in August they had a face to look for. But so what? It requires a MORE thorough investigation if you DON'T know. In both cases, an armed murderer is on the loose, and officials knew he was on the loose. That would at least call for similar speed of notification of the community on April 16 as VT provided on Aug. 21.

People have argued that you can't logistically shut down a campus that big-- but you can. People have argued that security couldn't have acted far, far faster -- but they have before, in a remarkably similar case. People have argued that the police had detained the suspected killer -- but security knew they hadn't and proceeded on the assumption that the killer of Emily Hirschel was on the loose, not in some interrogation room.

Unless...unless you're telling me that security is so effing incompetent that unless the EXACT SAME situation happens they are incapable of taking steps to inform people? Basically, VT admin only knows what to do when someone is shot in August on the first day of classes by an ex-convict whose last name starts with "M", and in all other cases campus security can't put two and two together? They had two effing bomb threats.

God. Read the comments in the press from people at VT. People are mad. Parents are mad. Students feel betrayed. I haven't read a single quote from any student saying that they're glad they didn't know until 9:30, have you? It's sickening to see people defend the willful disinformation and incompetence here as "the best thing that could be done." It wasn't, and people died for it.