etc. etc. until the precise moment that they hear something they don't like and then immeidatly go into ridicule/attack mode. Why are men so emotionally unavailable? blah blah blah. Life truly is a mystery.

This

Most men are so "famished" they take what they can get when they can get it, and often dont think things through, to their own detriment. And as to the phraise, "thinking with your dick", I think we should all refer to women who reach age 30 and contract baby fever as , "thinking with their wombs."

has to be just about the stupidest thing I have ever read on this site.

Men can't effectivly opt out now and many still try. Once the guy is commited under this prospective system then he's in the same supposedly powerless position as now; the tendency to get cold feet would be enormous. One of the main reasons men feel they are at such a disadvantage is the feeling that a woman, with a decent job and child support, can have a life after divorce and a man, unless he is rich, can't. The opt out option wouldn't change this. If it could be proven that this system would prevent nearly all women from producing kids that won't be supported it might make sense, but I'm afraid all the evidence points the other way. Good birth control for everyone is the best, probably only, (partially)good answer.

is a perfectly objective proof of the fact of innate differences between the sexes. No male would be neurologically capable of genuinely believeing this.

Far more children in this country grow up fatherless than grow up with a father tricked into caring for them.

Which makes it tough to get everyone on the same page

different from their own. In biological systems the most highly motivated and extreme fightimg comes in defense, that's why everyone promoting an agenda wants to be the victim. Of course there are real victims. The reason the issues of innate important differences in the way men and women think and feel and react is the fact that the denial of those differences provides a justification for believing that one way of being, in this case the views of most women, is "right" for everyone and that to say otheriwise is a ploy to reestablish a male supremacist society. Once you acknowledge that there are different biologically based viewpoints that both have to be taken into account to figure out how to meet the requirements of a situation and to at least try to give everyone the best deal possilble consistent with accomplishing what has to be done you would have at least the possibility of a cooperative disucssion.

The reason the issues of innate important differences in the way men and women think and feel and react IS IMPORTANT is the fact that the denial of those differences provides a justification for believing that one way of being, in this case the views of most women, is "right" for everyone and that to say otheriwise is a ploy to reestablish a male supremacist society. (The "were you raised by a corceced father" question on suveys is never going to give us a true picture of the situation, men are ambivalent about parenthood too, change their views over time, and want to make the best of a situation. The best way to get an idea will be to compare before and after "male pill existing" situations when that is possible, but a male pill will change a lot so it won't be easy to isolate one factor)

you missed the part about the baby not existing until it grows in a womb for nine months

so no one will intentionally and openly do it.

I don't think so, but in theory it could be.

other strains of evidence that most of the basic features of female attractiveness are universally recognized and judged the same by males. This doesn't mean that there is never any variation of any kind of course, but the evidence is there if you're interested.

I can see not wanting the kids involved in the discussion, but I don't see how you can except to keep everything under cover in this situation.

Since dealing with men is apparently a problem in almost all circumstances. It's tricky though, if men are totally segregated from women how will women be able to control them?

or they wouldn't be buying them, maybe the wives do too, but really. I thought I was hyper sensitve. Still, since it has come up, it's probably as good a time as any to point out that while women feel pressure, etc, to look good they also get benefits out of looking good that men don't unless they're gay (indiscriminate positive regard from many potential partners). Men have more control over how they look but it doesn't matter much.

just curious

should be crapping their pants about now. This is one of those issues where people on both sides, not just the religious right, care enough to vote the issue.

Can it be broad appeal if it has to exclude the entire straight male population and at least some women? Because obviously it will have to

for something, anything that will have some popular appeal to some positive impulse in people. To even try to do this they have to lie, lie, lie in their claims at least by implication and often overtly that all kinds of broad themes such as spirituality, redemption, sacrifice, etc are specifically christian.

why would they be offended by criticsm of it.

in Judiasm Satan is the prosecutor to God's judge. Because Christianity claims to be heir to the one true God of Judiasm it can't admit to borrowing it's theology from devil worshippers. The Holy family was adopted from Egypt. Some religious mysteries are intentional